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iamthehoyden
01.25.2013 , 11:24 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by TwitchingFiber View Post
Just a helpful hint, aka PROTIP, for everyone who clicks spells you are limiting yourself on how well/fast you are it would be more beneficial to you if you practiced using ALL keybinds (Well not all, but you get the point.)
I'm always curious in these conversations if anyone uses their keyboard for just about everything, like I do. That's movement plus pretty much every ability keybound (with usually a few extra slots for random stuff). (I can type really REALLY fast ). I play on a laptop cause sitting on the couch with the dog is comfy, and, of course, the mouse pad sucks royally for anything speed related so I've cobbled together this system.

I don't aspire to the tippy top of competitive gaming, and I know my set up isn't ideal, but it's surprisingly effective for pve. Pvp takes a bit more concentration, but it can certainly be done fairly well. The sheer number of keybinds available to you when using two hands on the keyboard is kinda crazy. Anyway, I was just curious.
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Altheran
01.25.2013 , 11:26 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by Domatron View Post
You need to use your mouse to turn, especially if the target is not stationary, which is not possible if you are using it to click abilities.
I know people don't like key turning, but straf + revert turn (left straf + right turn or right starf + left turn) does the same trick.

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Jeweledleah
01.25.2013 , 11:29 AM | #123
I'm sure its been mentioned already, but.

1.5 second global cooldown. no matter how fast you are at moving your fingers over various keys, you cannot out-type the global cooldown.
mouse turning makes the most difference, but its perfectly possibly to mouse turn when it matters and be a clicker.

key-binding is only more efficient if you are capable of typing without having to look at your keyboard.

there's no such thing as "always" when it comes to individual humans. for different people, different things work best. the same class can be a beast in hands of one person, and suck in hands of the other - not because they are awful players overall, but because playstyle of a particular class doesn't work with their personality/attitude.

the key is to find what works best for you.

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Domatron
01.25.2013 , 11:30 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by Altheran View Post
I know people don't like key turning, but straf + revert turn (left straf + right turn or right starf + left turn) does the same trick.
If you use a class that has to get behind people like a sin/shadow or an op/scoundrel the mouse turn will get you there faster with more control of direction. I'm not saying it's not doable with key turning but using the mouse is much more efficient especially if the target is moving.

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MariaD
01.25.2013 , 11:30 AM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by TwitchingFiber View Post
Remembering them by character is really not that hard...I just came back from swtor after being gone for 8 months. Played about 5 mins on ever character and knew where everything was again.
Your memory is much better than mine, then. I suspect it is different from person to person.
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Aramyth
01.25.2013 , 11:42 AM | #126
Out of curiosity does someone have a youtube video of someone playing with key binds in pvp? Specifically using mouse turning effectively.

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Altheran
01.25.2013 , 11:45 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by Domatron View Post
If you use a class that has to get behind people like a sin/shadow or an op/scoundrel the mouse turn will get you there faster with more control of direction. I'm not saying it's not doable with key turning but using the mouse is much more efficient especially if the target is moving.
I have an Infiltration Shadow, but still I don't picture it since it's pretty easy to find the back of an opponent without even using the tools given in odrer to do it. I can't imagine an ever easier way.

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Domatron
01.25.2013 , 11:47 AM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Aramyth View Post
Out of curiosity does someone have a youtube video of someone playing with key binds in pvp? Specifically using mouse turning effectively.
Darthnish has some good vids for a carnage mara and some other classes. You'll see especially in his tutorial vids on his mara how he dodges sorc knockbacks by strafing around them. Its very obvious which sorcs use the mouse to turn and thus hit with the knockback.

http://www.youtube.com/user/darthnish

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Lionflash
01.25.2013 , 11:51 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
I'm sure its been mentioned already, but.

1.5 second global cooldown. no matter how fast you are at moving your fingers over various keys, you cannot out-type the global cooldown.

Except for the fact that there are abilities that do not respect the GCD such as all interupts and taunts/ Taunts are on a very short cooldown and I am constantly using it with my Vanguard. Not to mention 'Riot Strike' (my interupt) is on an even shorter cooldown and I use even more often.

mouse turning makes the most difference, but its perfectly possibly to mouse turn when it matters and be a clicker.

Sure, it is possible to mouse turn and be a 'clicker' at the same time. But it is impossible to mouse turn, use an ability and use an ability like 'Riot Strike' (off the GDC) at the same time.

key-binding is only more efficient if you are capable of typing without having to look at your keyboard.

Agreed

there's no such thing as "always" when it comes to individual humans. for different people, different things work best. the same class can be a beast in hands of one person, and suck in hands of the other - not because they are awful players overall, but because playstyle of a particular class doesn't work with their personality/attitude.

Agreed again. However, I feel as though I can safely say; on average, that is to say generally, 'keybinding' is a more efficient play-style than 'clicking'. Unique people with their specific circumstances aside.

the key is to find what works best for you.

In the end however, and specifically AoE abilties (which have been stated before). 'Clicking; will fall short and be slower in certain areas in the game, regardless of how much you've mastered the 'clicking' playstyle.
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Domatron
01.25.2013 , 11:58 AM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Altheran View Post
I have an Infiltration Shadow, but still I don't picture it since it's pretty easy to find the back of an opponent without even using the tools given in odrer to do it. I can't imagine an ever easier way.
It depends on the opponent, an experienced pvper will try to never give you their back (easier to do using mouse turns as well). If I'm on my mara you'll have to stun me to get behind because i wont need to kite. If I'm on my merc it will be easier for you to get because i have to move away but i can usually make it a hell of a time by side strafing while mouse steering. Again this is just my experience having been a clicker for a long time and moving to keybinds, then finally a naga mouse which I can't fathom not using at this point. If my mouse breaks I don't think I would play until i got a replacement.