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Creslan
01.26.2013 , 02:00 AM | #31
This is why Expertise needs to effect PVE negatively. If I can't use my Dread Guard/Campaign gear in PVP then YOU shouldn't be able to use your Elite War hero in PVE.

Options:
1.)So that 25% dmg bonus on your EWH should reduce the damage you do by 25% while in PVE, fair is fair. This would promote people going after 2 sets of gear. Either that or make PVP gear only wearable in Warzones.
2.)Or just disable PVP gear in Operations and Flashpoints ( you can wear it, just won't get any stats), then do the same for PVE gear while in warzones.

Bioware obviously wanted 2 seperate gear progressions, 1 for PVE and 1 for PVP. Since that is the case, they should work exclusively in their prefered content.

Yes I hate PVP scrubs thinking they can come into OPS and ruin the PVE'rs game play.

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Somanliuus
01.26.2013 , 09:43 AM | #32
My Jedi Guardian is wearing fully min/maxed WH gear with full augments. 19K HP, over 1k damage on my main attack, over 500 on my melee bonus damage, 34% crit for melee 41% for force 945 bonus damage for force and 99% accuracy. And your telling me I cant handle a hard mode fp? I've cleared Ec hard and was not bottom Dps for any fight. I think Wh geared people can handle measly hm fps.

Ps. Been playing since jan of last year so by now all the fights of any fps/ ops have become pretty easy. That probably makes some impact.

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Smuglebunny
01.26.2013 , 10:55 AM | #33
The PvE people are just mad about getting yelled at for not having Exp which you NEED in WZ's. So they took to saying they dont want PVP gear in FPs just to be jerks cuz they got yelled at for not having Exp in a WZ.

BUT the difference is that you NEEEEED Exp in a WZ and it just becomes a non-functional stat outside the WZ. If my stats are higher than columi not counting exp then whats the problem? Answer, there isnt one.

All HM FPs WH is fine for. If you dont wanna heal me, thats your problem. Im still gonna queue and Im still gonna get my rewards till I can get into some BH and Campain and DG. I wouldnt try to take on a hard OP till I had some good PVE gear.

But I should ABSOLUTELY be able to use WH or EHW in HM EC till I get PVE gear.

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Smuglebunny
01.26.2013 , 11:07 AM | #34
Also I think Exp should be removed and you should be able to use whatever gear you want wherever.

Such a pointless thing to waste our time: Expertise.

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Racter
01.26.2013 , 02:00 PM | #35
You take away expertise and this game will lose all PVP subs in a hurry. No one wants to grind out PVE to get gear for PVP. The reverse is also true, but the vast majority of the content in this game is so easy there's no point in whining about it. I tanked every FP in the game in BM tank gear. i've tanked TFB SM and EC HM in WH/BM tank gear mix.

Hell, I feel like I'm tanking every HMFP in WH gear on my Sentinel. Why would I bother getting the **** low level PVE gear when I'm just in the FP for comms for exotech stims? lol

Elitist PVE'rs in this game are hilarious. I love getting raged at by people in box stock 61s with hilariously imbalanced stats and less damage than I have in my PVP gear. Yes, Sentinel with 107% melee accuracy, 39% crit 71% surge and 510 melee bonus damage, I'm talking to you. Show off your 22XX strength with pride while I'm perfectly statted with almost 200 more bonus damage than you. Continue to whine and rage throughout the FP. I enjoyed one shotting the rest of HMLI immediately after you left (specifically, after Savrok roflstomped you into the lava because you're bad and were far too busy clicking your attacks to move) and I no longer had to carry your lulzy deeps.


EC NiM is hard. TFB HM might be hard, haven't done it yet. Rest is a joke. Get over yourselves.

Edit: Also, you whine about getting hit for 9k smashes in your PVE gear now. Imagine if we could use all the PVE gear with better stats... The few PVPers that might stay would be three shotting your entire team.

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CommanderKeeva
01.26.2013 , 05:22 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by ufarax View Post
I earned my gear...I had to grind tons of HM FP's for BH COMMS. I'm sick and tired of healing PVP geared tanks and DPS. I don't want a challenge, I want my BH COMMS. Take your PVP gear...and stick it in your locker.

PS. I PVP and love it. I am working on a full "Elite War Hero" set. When I PVP...I stick my PVE gear in my locker.



Archer: Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the hogs of war.
Lana: Dogs of wars.
Archer: Whatever farm animal of war, Lana. Shut up.
You're just angry because PvP'ers have an easier and faster time gearing up, which I understand. PvP gear is far more versatile than PvE because it's good enough for both aspects. Any good crafter will PvP regularly for 875 wz comms to RE into stabilizers as getting 875 wz comms is way faster than 40-50 BH comms. He is also likely to get his BiS PvE set way faster than the people who only gear through operations and need to roll against 7/15 people. PvE gear is incredibly badly itemized and really cannot be min/maxed other than getting custom crafted mods. The best way to get custom crafted mods is to PvP for stabilizers. Therefore the easiest, fastest way to get PvE gear is to PvP and craft it mod by mod, enhancement by enhancement. A few dailies and HMs for the clicky DG relic and implants/ear and you're good to go for Denova NiM.

So as you can see gearing is heavily biased towards PvP. But that's hardly surprising given that PvP rewards participation, PvE rewards success and that you're not limited in the number of warzones you can do per week.
BEING A GOOD SOLDIER COMES DOWN TO ONE THING, ONE SINGLE QUESTION:
WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO SACRIFICE?

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CommanderKeeva
01.26.2013 , 05:57 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Smuglebunny View Post
Also I think Exp should be removed and you should be able to use whatever gear you want wherever.

Such a pointless thing to waste our time: Expertise.
I can think of a few possible ways to go about PvE/PvP gearing discrepancy but removing Expertise altogether would be a very, very bad idea. We need to keep the gear gap in PvP artificially small. Can you imagine the havoc people would wreak with ~2500 main stat and ~1000 power against fresh 50s at 1200-1300 main stat and ~500 power? NPC mobs don't complain when they get one-shot. People do.

One thing to make PvE gearing through PvE viable (blasphemy!) would be to guaranteed BiS drops from operations. Why the f*** not do they come pre-equipped with BiS mods. I mean, seriously, who would ever use a 26A or 27A Mod in favour of plain 26 or 27 mods. Just get rid of of the #A and #B mods and enhancements and have all Unassembled Campaign and Dread Guard Pieces come with BiS mods. I think when you consider that we only get a 1:8 or 1:16 chance at an item each week, it's not much to ask for not having to min/max from drops.


Another would be to allow us to convert BH comms into DG comms, maybe at a 3:1 ratio, like you turn in WZ for RWZ comms. Seriously, TfB HM and EC NiM should drop DG comms instead of Black Hole. If you're attempting either, it's likely that you're fully min/maxed at lvl61 (maybe you can get away with a few EWH pieces for TfB idk, but NiM EC you should only be attempting when you're fully min/maxed at 61.) And we're getting Black Hole comms for doing NiM? We're past needing BH comms when we're doing NiM nightmare....

Either have TfB HM and NiM EC drop DG comms or allow us to turn BH comms into DG comms. And you ask, now, what is this DG commendation you keep talking about? They don't even exist.

Well, they should.....
BEING A GOOD SOLDIER COMES DOWN TO ONE THING, ONE SINGLE QUESTION:
WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO SACRIFICE?

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Hovergame
01.26.2013 , 06:08 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by CommanderKeeva View Post
Either have TfB HM and NiM EC drop DG comms or allow us to turn BH comms into DG comms. And you ask, now, what is this DG commendation you keep talking about? They don't even exist.

Well, they should.....
You can, but not directly. Buy boots for 50 BH, retro the Armoring, Mod and enhancement and use the stabs to buy an armoring/mod/enhancement.

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CommanderKeeva
01.26.2013 , 06:14 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Creslan View Post
This is why Expertise needs to effect PVE negatively. If I can't use my Dread Guard/Campaign gear in PVP then YOU shouldn't be able to use your Elite War hero in PVE.

Options:
1.)So that 25% dmg bonus on your EWH should reduce the damage you do by 25% while in PVE, fair is fair. This would promote people going after 2 sets of gear. Either that or make PVP gear only wearable in Warzones.
2.)Or just disable PVP gear in Operations and Flashpoints ( you can wear it, just won't get any stats), then do the same for PVE gear while in warzones.

Bioware obviously wanted 2 seperate gear progressions, 1 for PVE and 1 for PVP. Since that is the case, they should work exclusively in their prefered content.

Yes I hate PVP scrubs thinking they can come into OPS and ruin the PVE'rs game play.
Well I tend to agree with the first part:

- PvE gear is for PvE. It has its own progression, its own strengths and weaknesses, disable it in PvP. If PvE players want to get into PvP, then they'll have to go through the various tiers and not immediately shoot everyone for 7k damage just because their gear allows them to.

-PvP gear is for PvP. It has its own progression, its own strengths and weaknesses, disable it in PvE. If PvP players want to get into PvE raiding, then they'll have to go through the various tiers and not jump straight to TfB HM because their PvP gear is good enough statwise for that.

Universal gear can't be implemented as long as there is progression. It would put fresh 50 PvP'ers at too much of a disadvantage. Without gear progression.....maybe....but that's another story. But let's ask ourselves this question anyway?

What are we playing for? Are we playing for fun, entertainment and relaxation or are we playing for something that will make our weapon do 1052 damage instead of 1051?
BEING A GOOD SOLDIER COMES DOWN TO ONE THING, ONE SINGLE QUESTION:
WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO SACRIFICE?

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CommanderKeeva
01.26.2013 , 06:22 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Hovergame View Post
You can, but not directly. Buy boots for 50 BH, retro the Armoring, Mod and enhancement and use the stabs to buy an armoring/mod/enhancement.
Sure but then you might as well just PvP for 875 regular warzone commendations and RE the random WH item you buy. It's way faster than getting 50 BH comms. The whole point of the post above was to complain about the fact that gearing for PvE through PvP is faster and easier than gearing through PvE.

I don't mind crafters being able to craft BiS mods but PvE mats for PvE mods coming faster from PvP than from PvE? That is not good.

That is on top of the whole "should you even be wearing it if you've not earned it?" argument....
BEING A GOOD SOLDIER COMES DOWN TO ONE THING, ONE SINGLE QUESTION:
WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO SACRIFICE?