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How would Darth Sidious fare against the Force Wielders of Mortis?

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How would Darth Sidious fare against the Force Wielders of Mortis?

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Sith_Kingpin
01.18.2013 , 01:11 AM | #1
Hello, I'm new here, but I'm a massive SW fan, and that includes the novels, comics, CW series etc... I'm just wondering what your views are on how Darth Sidious (Palpatine) would have coped with the Son of Mortis? I know Anakin owned both the Daughter and Son, but I think Sidous' Force Lightning would have turned that evil SOB into ash.

Some people will argue the Force Wielders are immortal, but I think the crafty Sith Lord would find a way to cope with him. It's an interesting scenario because Anakin almost left Mortis with the Son, and they were going to destroy the Sith and the Jedi, so do you think good old Palpatine could have handled them if they succeeded in their plan? If not, would he have needed somebody's help like Master Yoda or Master Windu? Or, would even all them 3 fail against the Force Wielder Son?

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budziolus
01.18.2013 , 01:48 AM | #2
First of all wasn't the Mortis just some kind of Force Vision or a dream? Something like Vader in cave on Dagobah in The Empire Strikes Back.
For second it was said that only The Chosen One can beat the Force Wielders, so even if Palpatine was more powerfull than Anakin, he wouldn't be able to kill them. This is the same as in legend about King Arthur pulling a sword from a stone, despite many stronger knights trying to pull Exalibur only the "true king" (The Chosen One) could menage it.

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Beniboybling
01.18.2013 , 07:29 AM | #3
All other Force users would be humbled by the Ones I'm afraid. For one, the Ones are Celestials. The Celestials are a super ancient race that predate the Rakata, the Hutts and everything else. Little at all is known about them accept that they were immensely powerful and possessed incredible knowledge. Eventually they became so powerful that they became a part of the Force, and continued to guide the fate of the galaxy ever since. We can assume that these Celestials which managed to merge themselves with the Force became the Ones. So being literally a part of the Force the power they can wield is limitless, they effectively hold the power of the Force.

And yes the above poster is right, only the Chosen One can control them. And even then is not immune to their power. They are also immortal, only the Dagger of Mortis can kill them. So without that Sidious and everyone else would be powerless. And even if they weren't immortal Sidious does not hold the power to rival or overwhelm there's.

But this was actually 'discussed' in some Clone Wars comic. Speculating what would happen if the Son escaped Mortis with Anakin at his side. Basically they said that Sidious and Yoda would join forces to try and stop them, but would easily be defeated and destroyed.

The Ones are basically the most powerful force users ever.

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Sith_Kingpin
01.18.2013 , 09:56 AM | #4
Excellent, valid points. I agree with everything you've said. It's just, when you you know Sidious' true potential and some of his Force Powers, it's a gamble betting against him. Darth Sidous is my favorite character in the universe, and that's why I root for him.

Would his infamous Force Storm not be able to swallow up the Son? Or, would the Son be able to counter it? It's just interesting to debate, as we're also informed Sidous had the most powerful Force Lightning in Sith history, and it would be great to see his lightning up against the Son's red lightning.

Wasn't Sidous also the raw embodiment of the Dark Side? Thus, wouldn't he be on par with the Ones? For example, the Ones are basically the force, but Sidous is actually the Dark Side manifestation, so wouldn't he be godlike and be nigh impossible to defeat? I'm not disagreeing with anyone's points, I'm just trying to raise further topics for discussion.

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Aurbere
01.18.2013 , 11:51 AM | #5
Unfortunately, the Dark Lord would be vanquished by any of The Ones. He may have been the ultimate Sith, but The Ones are ultimate Force-users. Personally, I don't care much for The Ones (which is why don't do discuss them in my threads, or future threads), but they are superior to every mortal. I don't even think Luke Skywalker could beat them.

The only one who can control them is Anakin. He was born of The Force and is destined to balance it. He is the only one who can keep them under control. Since they have passed on, Anakin can focus on the war (speaking of, we need more war in The Clone Wars! )

The Ones bring up an interesting concept of balance, yes? A concept many misunderstand.
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Sith_Kingpin
01.18.2013 , 11:44 PM | #6
Some good points. But I've got one more question... I've heard a rumor that Mother Talzin (the head witch of Dathomir) is a One, I personally don't believe this, but many people do think she has the powers to be a One, and they think she is the Mother that is mentioned.

She handled Count Dooku with ease, and would have killed him if not for General Grievous interrupting. People say Mother Talzin is similar to Darth Sidious as she too has a scheme she is trying to put into effect (helping both Savage and Ventress when they both go back to Dathomir complaining about one another).

I can't wait for the next arc in the CW series as I'm told Darth Sidious is going to take matters into his own hands, so it will be great to see him tackle Darth Maul and Savage with his fabled Sith Lightning.

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MasterSingh
01.19.2013 , 12:36 AM | #7
Abeloth was/is the Mother that is mentioned. Talzin's powers don't even register next to The Ones.

Luke at his most powerful is probably the best chance mere mortals could have. If I were a Hutt, I'd still bet on the immortals though.

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wbtusmc
01.19.2013 , 07:27 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterSingh View Post
Abeloth was/is the Mother that is mentioned. Talzin's powers don't even register next to The Ones.

Luke at his most powerful is probably the best chance mere mortals could have. If I were a Hutt, I'd still bet on the immortals though.
Abeloth was more like the step mother. She began as a servant until becoming enhanced and corrupted by the Pools.
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Beniboybling
01.19.2013 , 07:57 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterSingh View Post
Abeloth was/is the Mother that is mentioned. Talzin's powers don't even register next to The Ones.

Luke at his most powerful is probably the best chance mere mortals could have. If I were a Hutt, I'd still bet on the immortals though.
Of course you would bet on the immortals, their immortal!

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Sith_Kingpin
01.19.2013 , 11:06 PM | #10
Yeah, obviously mere mortals stand little chance against 'immortals'. But, if you can't kill them, couldn't you at least contain or impede them? Couldn't Darth Sidous use his hyperspace wormhole to swallow up the Son? If the Son and Anakin succeeded in escaping Mortis, these are the types of tactics the most powerful Jedi and Sith would have to think as they wouldn't be able to kill the Son without the Mortis Dagger. Not being able to die doesn't mean you're not able to be imprisoned in some manner...