Why do people give so much hate?

Welcome to the discussion late, bro. This part is about the initial expectations. If you insist on commenting, at least learn the conversation.

Actually, though I agree with you EA execs are a main source of overhyping the goals of TOR, this specific quote of targetting a "wider" audience than WoW does is a quote which is best translated to:
"We do not plan to just get people away from WoW, we plan more to get new people into MMO's." So, specifically.. this is not killing WoW, this is just becoming bigger than WoW, goal wise.

Just sayin.. but yeah, EA execs were being idiots in the run up to this game's launch.

Which brings me back to my old saying: Expect the worst from a game, then any game you play will always happily surprise you.

I know, it's crazy. It's like he has these hotlinked on his desktop, and has been seething for 4 years just waiting for this day to come when he can prove someone wrong.. he's probably maniacally rubbing his hands together with an evil laugh while linking these.

Sigh, I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't big at public schools anymore.

The first paragraph indicates that the MMO audience was thought to be of size X, because that's what Everquest achieved. Then WoW managed, for the sake of discussion, 2X. By seeking an "even wider" audience, they are looking for more than 2X. You do realize that even is a comparative qualifier. It indicates that they expect an audience larger than WoW, just as WoW had an audience larger than Everquest.

Honestly, please explain where the block is here with you. I'm assuming it's just pride, but if it's a genuine misunderstanding I'd like to help.

No, it was just one Google search. Which is my point. If you'd taken even that much consideration before arriving at your positions, they might have merit. But you don't. And then, after having been shown multiple times your errors, you not only can't admit them, you continue to dig yourself in deeper.

Congratulations! you've just made my ignore list.
You're not even open to rationalization.

Also, no it was not. Maybe for a small following that had been with the development for many years. But most people didn't start considering TOR until the last year until launch, and the actual EA/Bioware hype machine didn't target beating WoW anymore than in public statements. Probably because they saw how many tried and failed, by they the goals were changed.

The problem here is, again, the community really. Clinging to old statements of EA execs instead of the newer statements. Still, I agree with your point that you can expect people to do just that. And that the 2008 statement was, therefore, a very dumb thing to say considering the overall stupidity of fan communities when it comes to things like that.

Just saying that the community itself is also to blame. Hence my comment about "clinging to a statement that is more than 4 years old." I apologize for starting my point in that rather attacking manner. Though I think shocking is a good tactic to get people's initial attention.

That, or your slinking away in the night, were the inevitable results of your first erroneous post.

There have most certainly been bosses in MMO's in the past which are pure tank 'n spank. Very few of the major western titles however still hold them, in WoW Patchwerk is a prime example, but there's plenty of them however which are of course far from it. However, other titles such as Aion, WAR, etc held a much higher rate of plane and simple tank 'n spank fights for that matter. And many Asian titles don't have anything beyond tank 'n spank.



As for recrafting the mold, there's just nothing really of that kind to be done. MMO's will always be on the losing end in that regard. They'll always lag behind in terms of regular videogames so they also can't benefit from using some novel features their to their advantage. Much rather I think MMO's ought to strive for perfection of what's already there, rather than desperately trying to do what's never going to be achieved in the first place.

Yep, and here is the stupidity of that comment from EA most plainly stated.

There was a clear assumption that there was a potential for a growth of the market equal to what WoW already did compared to Everquest. That history would repeat itself and that there was a whole new market of players just waiting for the MMO game that would drag them in.

And, seeing how many first time MMO players are in TOR, I actually think they were correct there was still possible growth in the market thanks to the IP. It was just not the millions expected by the EA Execs and investors that would be needed to become the market leader thanks to these new players.

My point though: Even EA Execs started seeing that wouldn't be the case running up to the launch. That it would be carried by veteran MMOers and that any growth would come from stealing from WoW, something that was proven by other MMO's to simply not work. So, in the last months until launch even the language from EA changed, stating more that they wanted to be around 1 or 2 million at first and see where they went from there.
Reality proved that even that would be a difficult feat. Which resulted in the game being the second biggest subscription MMO.. but considering the unrealistically high goals, that was basicly not enough.