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why are people freaking out about Ilum in 1.7?

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why are people freaking out about Ilum in 1.7?

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Prysha
02.03.2013 , 11:01 AM | #251
Quote: Originally Posted by MelodicSixNine View Post
Events usually mean that there's some challenge involved(be it hard PvE boss or other players) and if you complete that challenge you get awarded with event items. If you don't complete this challenge or like you said you aren't a person who seeks challenges you don't do it and you are you are not rewarded for the event. Why can't you ignore the event if you don't seek challenge and don't like to pvp, which this event will bring?

Define PvP themed items. Expertise? That's a bad indication. Some items such as pet, mount, 10-49 armors don't have expertise, but you are required to do pvp to get them. Here I will give you definition of PvP item: pvp themed item is an item which requires you to defeat other players in pvp. Illum 1.7 is a pvp event thus items you get in this event will be pvp themed items. Why you can't ignore the autoflag zone(SWTOR has already auto flag zone btw. It's not new thing.) in pvp event just like you ignore warzones?
Heh maybe but:

I DO warzones... but onyl below lvl 50.. because on lvl 50 i get Recruit gear... and stil get 2-3 hit by those ELITE griefers...thats why i left warzones once i hit lvl 50.

Ive tried it so often and being canonfodder is not even a challenge.. its more likely for people who are masochists...

And this Illum 1.7 event will be the same... Overgeared Griefers will rule it.
Not nice Endgame for players who are not Overgeared / have bot much time to get that gear or are simply to busy with PvE all day...

Do you think this is fair?

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then you are really anti-social person
Maybe some peopel have psychological disorders?
Also the amount of people who ignore others just for the sake of it is increasing heavily ( on Red Eclipse ).

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not all PvP people are the same, what you see is very small minority which gets some weird pleasure from killing undergeared players (it does not reward anything, so I really do not see the point)
Ive met / experienced it otherwise... in so many games there are many people who just kill you in 1-4 hits and then call you noob right after... then you hear that they talk in TS about it too.. they have higher gear and kill you and laugh about you...justr for the sake of it.. in almost all mmos...


and fromal what i see the PvP in this game will heavily increase in the future...someday there wil be a point ingame where u cant contine because the others are THAT GEARED ... with 2 years time ahead of you.. how can u keep up?

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02.03.2013 , 11:09 AM | #252
double post sry...
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MelodicSixNine
02.03.2013 , 11:12 AM | #253
Quote: Originally Posted by Prysha View Post
Heh maybe but:
And this Illum 1.7 event will be the same... Overgeared Griefers will rule it.
Not nice Endgame for players who are not Overgeared / have bot much time to get that gear or are simply to busy with PvE all day...
Let's wait for the event to see how this plays out, before releasing the hounds. World PvP is more about who gets more numbers and who plays out the fight better rather than gear. Remember you are not alone. Group up with overgeared players on your side. In old Illum we had always up an OPS group for pvp and everyone was invited who asked in general chat . I assume this event will be no different and people will group up.

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Do you think this is fair?
Nope, but I came to realization that pvp(EDIT: at least open world) is never fair. Sometimes you're on the top, sometimes you are on the bottom.

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Prysha
02.03.2013 , 11:16 AM | #254
Quote: Originally Posted by MelodicSixNine View Post
Let's wait for the event to see how this plays out, before releasing the hounds.
Mhh sounds okay to me

PS. ive seen old illum videos btw.. melee needed only to stand and wait all time..and waited for pullers to pull peopel in ... seemed dull to me
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02.03.2013 , 11:21 AM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by Prysha View Post

PS. ive seen old illum videos btw.. melee needed only to stand and wait all time..and waited for pullers to pull peopel in ... seemed dull to me
Hehe. Yea sometimes this was the case and that's what people with bad computers did to get at least some kills. I remember we were teaming up with several knights and jumped into enemies synchronized with all our cooldowns up to break their numbers and let ranged people aoe the crap out of them while they are busy escaping from us. A lot of times we wiped like this, but a lot of times it actually worked.
Anyway now people know their classes a lot better so it could be different this time. Can you believe that marauders back then were considered THE WORST class and that ranged classes are rock to their scissors? Fun times.

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aeterno
02.03.2013 , 11:48 AM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by Prysha View Post
Youre on wrong server then?
I dont get why people join PvE servers and then want to turn them into PvP server.. ***?
Next thing i will hear is " Hey pls remove peacezones from RP server so i can grief everyone there " or what?


Also, who tells me you're no lying and secretly you're on PvP server?
I'm not trying it to turn it into a PVP server, I like it PVE, I'd just like to feel like I'm in an open, alive world for a change.

TOR is so sterile and compartmentalized it's a travesty.

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LanceCorporalDan
02.03.2013 , 11:52 AM | #257
Quote: Originally Posted by Prysha View Post
Basicly you say:

Right you joined a PvE server .. now Bioware continues bringing in AUTOFLAG on PvE server .. there is new content but if u dont want to PvP you have to ignore the new PvE gear (( gear without expertise )).


Wow what is is? this is just stupid... either the Illum 1.7 event items should have expertise OR we dont want to get autoflagged... IF the gear has expertise.. i would not complain. because if you want PvP gear then u have to pvp right...
Your post makes 0 sense at all. This is a pvp event!!! If you wish to have the gear, partake in it, if you don't participate, you simply don't receive the gear. Get over it.

bw wants to try to revive wpvp... even though this is not the correct way I give them points for trying and actually give the pvp'ers some love.
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Darka
02.03.2013 , 12:10 PM | #258
Sometimes an update will not cater to your preferred play style, it happens, get over it.
Another update will come along.

There are things in this game i hate, I could use the money argument and claim that by paying Bioware need to make it more fun for me, but i know not all aspects will please me, and that while i maynot like it others do.

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02.03.2013 , 12:41 PM | #259
Quote: Originally Posted by Prysha View Post
Simple as it is:

There should be no autoflag on PvE servers.. nuf said
There have been MMORPG servers like this, but they are few and far between, mostly because about as few people want to play on them as people want to play on opposite "hardcore" PvP servers (gear and coin loot or even perma-death etc).
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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02.03.2013 , 12:44 PM | #260
Quote: Originally Posted by MelodicSixNine View Post
Hehe. Yea sometimes this was the case and that's what people with bad computers did to get at least some kills. I remember we were teaming up with several knights and jumped into enemies synchronized with all our cooldowns up to break their numbers and let ranged people aoe the crap out of them while they are busy escaping from us. A lot of times we wiped like this, but a lot of times it actually worked.
Anyway now people know their classes a lot better so it could be different this time. Can you believe that marauders back then were considered THE WORST class and that ranged classes are rock to their scissors? Fun times.
Aimless zerg vs aimless zerg will still be ranged >>> melee, that's just how it is almost irrespective of class balance. Organised WBs are a different beast but there was little to no call for them in orginal Ilum.

The biggest problems with Ilum were that it was probably the worst implimentation of RvR ever seen in an MMO (LOTROs was much better - never mind WAR/DAoC or even WoWs) combined with the engine falling over once you got above 16 vs 16. Hopefully the engine has been optimised a bit, we'll have to see about whatever RvR structure they put in though.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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