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For Those Who Think PVE Gear Works in PVP...

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itsmymillertime
01.16.2013 , 04:33 PM | #1
Read and refute both of these articles:

http://mmo-mechanics.com/news.php?ar...n-a-1-2-galaxy

http://swtorbattles.blogspot.ca/2012...s-formula.html

I am curious to know after reading these 2 articles how pve gear is bis for pvp.

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Rendolphe
01.17.2013 , 09:50 AM | #2
Thoses numbers are old.

Healers is a must to get your belt and bracer PvE for more stats. The healing buff from Expertise get diminishing returns really fast.

DPS wise is different. I was doing more damage with PvE belt and Bracer with my sage DPS instead of the PvP one.
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jibboo
01.17.2013 , 09:54 AM | #3
If they're dumb enough to go with PVE gear over PVP gear, they're dumb enough to try to refute the numbers.

Should be interesting.
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itsmymillertime
01.17.2013 , 09:59 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Rendolphe View Post
Thoses numbers are old.

Healers is a must to get your belt and bracer PvE for more stats. The healing buff from Expertise get diminishing returns really fast.

DPS wise is different. I was doing more damage with PvE belt and Bracer with my sage DPS instead of the PvP one.
where is the DR for expertise then, it was "removed" when 1.2 launched and no changes have been made since. you were doing more damage with PVE gear, but you did not take into account your opponents Expertise. What were their Expertise? that info is needed before you say you did more damage in PVE bracers/belts.

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rob_y
01.17.2013 , 10:09 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by itsmymillertime View Post
Read and refute both of these articles:

http://mmo-mechanics.com/news.php?ar...n-a-1-2-galaxy

http://swtorbattles.blogspot.ca/2012...s-formula.html

I am curious to know after reading these 2 articles how pve gear is bis for pvp.
I wear mostly PvP pieces, and use some PvE armorings in my belt and bracers, and power crystals in my weapon / offhand. So, I agree that PvE gear isn't across-the-board best in slot.

That sad, that mmo-mechanics piece is a bad article (besides the fact that it's old and doesn't take into account the new gear). You can't examine the effectiveness of a particular stat (one that the hybrid set has less of by definition) by just saying "Here is the damage / mitigation / healing you lose by wearing the hybrid instead of the full PvP set". You need to compare the expertise sacrificed to the stats gained. For instance, by swapping out my crystals, I gain one power and lose just one expertise - this is almost always the right answer, but is especially correct when building a smash Jug / sweep Guardian.

Also, I believe you're building up a bit of a straw man here - I don't really see anyone claiming that a full PvE set is best for PvP. Most people seem to be trying to trade expertise 1:1 (or close to it) for regular stats when they can, especially when they're further along the expertise diminishing returns curve. That piece only looks at Battlemaster gear, and doesn't even go beyond 1200 (my expertise is over 1200, and like I said, I have PvE armorings in two pieces, and two crystals swapped out).
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CharterMonkKent
01.17.2013 , 10:13 AM | #6
Those are old numbers.

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...c-2393ebb6bebb

Just one of my min/max toons, 1200ish expertise. Hit's 20% harder than using all stock PvP gear.
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Neoforcer
01.17.2013 , 11:03 AM | #7
Pve gear will never be bis in pvp. I did a test on pve gear over recruit gear a full pve gear player is by far better then today's recruit. Mind you i have a full optimized war hero set for tanking. But wanted to see one what people would say and what pve gear does.

I thought i be toast in pve raid gear but i was not, I raped the other team when focus the healer kept me alive when player complained i was in pve gear and they were in full war hero getting raped by the other team. I was the only one in the warzone to get a kill against a LD50 premade on my server in that match. I am a stealth class though so i pick my fight well.

Then i went in a war zone with recruit gear with small hp pools guess what i died like real fast. So this tells me over recruit pve gear is better and over pve gear war hero is better. I have all but 2 peaces of war hero dps set ATM. Will i get my last 2 dps war hero peaces hell yes.

Would i rather have a pve gear person in a war zone then the nub in recruit yes the pve person is more productive then a recruit gear person. Real sad that the lobie pvp gear is not as good as a pve set. With the new changes this may change.

I am not one to say ever that pve gear in pvp is the right thing to do i am saying pve gear is better then the full recruit gear any day. A pve gear person just doing war zone in pve gear as they think it is better some how are dead wrong.

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Smashbrother
01.17.2013 , 12:05 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Rendolphe View Post
Thoses numbers are old.

Healers is a must to get your belt and bracer PvE for more stats. The healing buff from Expertise get diminishing returns really fast.

DPS wise is different. I was doing more damage with PvE belt and Bracer with my sage DPS instead of the PvP one.
Yes you do slightly more damage, but you also take more damage.

Getting power crystals instead of expertise is the only good swap because it's 1:1.

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CharterMonkKent
01.17.2013 , 12:28 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
Yes you do slightly more damage, but you also take more damage.

Getting power crystals instead of expertise is the only good swap because it's 1:1.
I agree with the power crystals swap being good, that makes sense for any class.

I do however have to disagree that it's the only good swap. You could argue that for some classes it's better than others but I haven't see a case with any of my 50s that it didn't increase damage/healing significantly enough to drop the 110 expertise (which is a tiny amount).

My jugg's pvp gear:

My belt + bracer
282 str
192 end
60 exper
78 pwr

Stock belt + bracer
210 str
144 end
140 exper
12 pwr
12 crit

As you can see I gain a substantial increase in str, pwr & end.

Here are the break downs. By using my belt bracer with the pve armorings I...

1. Lose 1.07 damage boost
2. Lose .71 damage reduction
3. Gain 45 force bonus power and substantial gains to melee min/max damage (scales to about a 5% increase on smash damage, much higher than the 1.07% damage boost from exptertise)
4. Gain crit chance
5. My health goes up nearly 800 points.

People ask me how I hit them so hard on my shadow. Power stacking. At a certain point (which I feel is around 1200) it's a no brainer, power > expertise.
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Rendolphe
01.17.2013 , 01:35 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
Yes you do slightly more damage, but you also take more damage.

Getting power crystals instead of expertise is the only good swap because it's 1:1.
HEALER is a must.

All pro healer get PvE Bracer and Belt.
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