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Just played a WZ Game.

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Just played a WZ Game.

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Alavastre
01.16.2013 , 06:49 AM | #41
First, if you're focused by 3 people, then you really don't have a chance. So people use strategy, oh noes.

I never really found smash/sweep to be that big of a deal. It was more all of it together, the jump, smash and then that big hit that triggers if you're a Juggernaut/Guardian. That is a bit devastating, but after that, Juggs have very little offense. Still got force push and choke, but that jump combo is the best thing they got going.

As for anyone playing Knight/Warrior, try our the tank version of those classes. They do amazing at PVP. Jump, that triggers your big attack that will also put a shield around you, and then smash. I didn't like the Sentinel/Marauder classes at all, but they can do a lot of damage.
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StixThorne
01.16.2013 , 06:59 AM | #42
I havnt noticed this smash monkey thing yet but then I dont have a 50 yet either . What I have noticed that erks me is healers ....I play a sage , I love the class tbh but I get in a wz and I see another one out healing me but he is no where near the fight at all , when I find him/her they are standing in a corner at a node no ones fighting over hurting themselves over and over then healing to full so they can drive their medal count up , get mvp votes for being top heals lowest deaths.
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Swanea
01.16.2013 , 07:15 AM | #43
Groups of Operatives are causing people to QUIT THE GAME.

They won't change this till Makeb for the sole reason that they are not 2 million people playing and tens of thousands leaving daily for random reasons.

2 or 3 people chaining smash is a joke. Only difference is, they can kill 2++ people in the time those GROUPS of Stunlocking operatives could kill ONE..

Rofl.
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MoobooMagoo
01.16.2013 , 07:19 AM | #44
I never really worry about smashers. Maybe its because I'm a healer so I don't huddle up next to all the dps. What I worry about are marauders and operatives. Most classes I can heal myself long enough for someone to come help (I'm a commando healer so I'm best at defending points), but marauders and operatives just tear me apart.
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Savej
01.16.2013 , 07:33 AM | #45
Most of the people that complain about smash can't read (there are already around 50-100 threads complaining about smash, why create more?) and they have a weak grasp of what is actually happening in their games. They see 3 knights smashing but they don't see their sniper support, heal support or recognize that all of the people killing them are from the same guild and probably on voice chat and have perfect gear. Given a guild premade with everyone fully bis geared consistenting of any class combo and I'll show you a slaughtered pug team.

For every wz where you get smashed to death over and over I can point to really fast huttball/voidstar matches where the enemy team has a bunch of sins/sorcs. And 3 knights on a team does not mean everyone's playing knight/warriors - if class distribution was "perfect" (no reason it should be, but "if)" there would be 2 knight and 2 warriors in every match that only has 16 players total.

For every wz where the smashers top the damage board I can provide many damage boards where they don't. In sub-50 pvp (which I've been doing a lot of lately) my latest sentinel has been rocking damage boards since he hit the mid 20s (all in watchman spec) - one recent game he did almost 300k damage and the next highest damage was under half his. Why? Because I'm a good player and my character is better geared than most. I can do the same thing with my mid 40s vanguard (although I'm not as practiced on a vanguard so it's not consistent) and have done well on a low 20s shadow. My 30s sage has a couple wzs where he topped both the damage and healing for the game. So what?

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Boognishe
01.16.2013 , 07:45 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Anosa View Post
3 of the Jedi Knights we fought were smashing/sweeping. They all were following each other and doing force leap smash, repeat.
So, all of this smash/sweep OP talk aside, you had 3 people running assist trains in the warzone and you're shocked at their success? Really?

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MadBernieSkills
01.16.2013 , 08:12 AM | #47
So what comes next is the natural counter to it. Gunslinger/Sniper. They get in cover and the leapers have no chance. No automatic crit, etc.
A sniper can have you half dead before you even get to them, then they knock you back and get another 25%. It's no challenge for them.

It's all a cycle.

The only real way to stop it is to not allow more than 2 or 3 of any advanced class in a warzone.

Or somehow make it not a rock/paper/scissors game.

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Anosa
01.16.2013 , 01:56 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Boognishe View Post
So, all of this smash/sweep OP talk aside, you had 3 people running assist trains in the warzone and you're shocked at their success? Really?
if you have 3 do this at the same time i will instantly kill everyone effected by smash
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Urael
01.16.2013 , 02:26 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Anosa View Post
My group was fair. I can say they all seemed to try decently... we got obliterated..

why??

3 of the Jedi Knights we fought were smashing/sweeping. They all were following each other and doing force leap smash, repeat. Our group couldn't even stay alive long enough to do anything. These guys were all criting 5-7k each hit. One time of them three jumping into a group would drop us all usually.

Is there any plans to fix this? I is honestly ruining my experience playing this game. I am a big pvp guy and when this happens it sucks the life out of me. I under stand other classes are out of balance too.. but this needs to be stopped. it is by far the biggest OP in the game
Smash/sweep is not OP at all. Those you faced learned how to maximize it's effect when operating in a team. Find a counter tactic and don't ask for a single ablilty to be nerfed. When used by itself is not that OP. You and everyone that can not distinguish between tactics and the "power of abilities" need to L2P and develop counter tactics to defeat creative use of powers.

Judicioust use of stealth and stun lock for instance pwns this tactic. Seriously it's NOT OP, it can be defeated. You need to have patience and be creative.

It sounds like your team was poorly organized and not operating as a unit. Of course you failed.

EDIT: Mods this post should be moved to the PVP forum.

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Anosa
01.16.2013 , 02:37 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
Smash/sweep is not OP at all. Those you faced learned how to maximize it's effect when operating in a team. Find a counter tactic and don't ask for a single ablilty to be nerfed. When used by itself is not that OP. You and everyone that can not distinguish between tactics and the "power of abilities" need to L2P and develop counter tactics to defeat creative use of powers.

Judicioust use of stealth and stun lock for instance pwns this tactic. Seriously it's NOT OP, it can be defeated. You need to have patience and be creative.

It sounds like your team was poorly organized and not operating as a unit. Of course you failed.

EDIT: Mods this post should be moved to the PVP forum.
i dont even know how you can say this. There are players using this to take half a persons health out in one hit.
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