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eldefail
01.14.2013 , 01:47 AM | #11
I can understand why people might not like the consular story. It's slower and real "behind the scenes", whereas many people really like to play the hero or at least make a larger impact on the story.

I have heard that the biggest reason people dislike this story is that if you deviate from the "Consular" archetype very much you'll notice the spots where the story fails to match up with other class stories. I'm playing my consular light side, but it's my understanding dark side consulars have a problem with their dark side choices simply not impacting their story in any reasonable way. In other words, they are arbitrarily behaving like douchebags and nobody seems to notice or care. It shows a lack of polish and attention to detail.

LS/DS choices really don't seem to impact any story in any meaningful way, but my BH and Warrior both got many, many comments on their general behavior/alignment throughout the story, people actually NOTICED if you were a ruthless killing machine or had a soft spot. Even my dark side warrior was called a "walking contradiction" by a jedi master because of the way I had handled something two planets ago. If this sort of consequence of choice is missing from the consular story it'll be pretty conspicuous in its absence and probably sorely missed by anybody who played the other stories first.

I've played the bounty hunter and sith warrior to completion and loved both stories. I've just started Alderaan with my Consular and I love this story so far. It's a little repetitive, but people seem to forget that most class stories are during act 1.

I had hoped I'd get to play the diplomat a little more, but it really doesn't seem like that's the case so far. I'd also have liked to see the shielding take a more obvious toll on the character as time goes on.

However overall I really like being the behind the scenes person, kind of feels like the unsung hero.

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Kurugi
01.14.2013 , 05:12 AM | #12
I too don't see where all the dislike for the Consular story comes from, but like others have said it's just a matter of taste. I find plots that actually make me think and don't reveal everything up front far more engaging and involving.

The problem I have with how most people describe acts is they only hit the broad, general strokes of what you're doing, and don't seem to bother focusing on what specifically goes on on each planet, which I find is the far more interesting thing to focus on. Yes, in general terms on each planet you end up saving a Jedi Master from their "disease", but it's not like the same exact specific events happen on each planet.

Or how the JK act 1 is all about stopping the Sith from using super weapons. Each weapon on each planet is completely different. You aren't just going from planet to planet deactivating the same exact nuke. Also, each weapon is being held by a different one of Angral's Sith lieutenants, and each one is completely different in personality/fighting style.

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I realize this is the Consular forum and I've talked more about the JK story but that's because I've only played a consular up to Nar Shaddaa whereas I've played a JK up to Hoth. My main point was it just irks me the broad strokes people give when discussing overall act plots. I realize it's probably to stay away from spoilers, but people go so far as to say that it makes an entire plotline boring/repetitive. Overall yes you end up doing relatively the same thing on each planet, but the specific events that happen on each planet are what I find more interesting.

So for the consular story so far I really enjoy it. I like the mystery behind it. I like how you know there's some malevolent force doing this to the Jedi but you don't know who exactly, as opposed to the JK where you find out who your first real antagonist is name and all by the end of Coruscant. The consular story feels very KOTOR 2 like.

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eldefail
01.14.2013 , 02:42 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Kurugi View Post
The consular story feels very KOTOR 2 like.
There you go, that right there.

ALL classes have a repetitive Act 1. Sith Warrior? Go kill some people Baras tells you to kill. Bounty Hunter? Go collect a bounty on each planet. Jedi Consular? Go shield or kill corrupt jedi masters.

As I said earlier I just started Alderaan and so far I actually really like the light side Consular. It isn't as action packed, but even light side I've had a few moments where I got to be a total ****** without breaking character. It isn't some sweeping, galaxy changing story so far, at least not in the short term, but the story feels more behind the scenes and in the long run, more grand. The Jedi Knight is out to save the galaxy, the Consular is arguably the only thing that can save the Jedi order--perhaps including the Knight. I feel like the unsung hero, the one who plays just as major a role in this story as any other class, but sadly won't make the history books lol.

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SoonerJBD
01.14.2013 , 03:02 PM | #14
The problem is Act 3. Having played both the Knight and Warrior stories after my Sage, I just can't believe how much more epic and exciting their stories were.

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Gekido
01.17.2013 , 04:27 AM | #15
Just got to chapter 3 and living it, the idea of taking out the emperors first son and all the sith hiding among the Republic is fascinating, these are key enemies that, unless killed will strike hard and cause massive destruction to Republic forces and outposts, sure JKs killed the emperor but ultimately if we didn't take these sons out that would have been for nothing.

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ImperialHippy
01.17.2013 , 07:55 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Gekido View Post
Just got to chapter 3 and living it, the idea of taking out the emperors first son and all the sith hiding among the Republic is fascinating, these are key enemies that, unless killed will strike hard and cause massive destruction to Republic forces and outposts, sure JKs killed the emperor but ultimately if we didn't take these sons out that would have been for nothing.
bit of a spolier or two there dude

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Gekido
01.17.2013 , 08:04 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialHippy View Post
bit of a spolier or two there dude
Yeah sorry I did try and update the title but it didn't work, I'm doing it from my phone and not sure how to put in spoiler blocks, again sorry

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vactus
01.17.2013 , 11:42 PM | #18
My issue playing a DS Consular (polar opposite to my LS trooper) is that, as stated before, no one cares that I'm a complete c*nt to people.

"Oh, why did you kill that guy?"
"Cause I figure it was easier, he was evil."
"Well damn."

And that's it. No real scolding or issues with me systematically taking out powerful Jedi even though I was sent to shield them. I was able to handle Yuon on Cor no problem, but that's only cause it wouldn't let me kill her there. /shrug Honestly that's my complaint. No one cares that I'm obviously falling DS.
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ImperialHippy
01.18.2013 , 05:37 AM | #19
I can see why the dark side thing is a problem. im playing a neutral grey Jedi however and loving it. I see my self as the disciple to Rajivari from the prologue and saw the first act as an opportunity to cleanse the order. Im secretive and manipulative especially towards other Jedi and the council so it kind of fits that they dont really know the things I do. If anyones read the Dawn of the Jedi comics thats the style im going for, a Jedi in balance, and its working really well too.

This is one of my favorite stories (not completed imperial agent yet mind you) much more interesting than the Knight, you really feel like a powerful Jedi I think.

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eldefail
01.18.2013 , 04:43 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialHippy View Post
I can see why the dark side thing is a problem. im playing a neutral grey Jedi however and loving it. I see my self as the disciple to Rajivari from the prologue and saw the first act as an opportunity to cleanse the order. Im secretive and manipulative especially towards other Jedi and the council so it kind of fits that they dont really know the things I do. If anyones read the Dawn of the Jedi comics thats the style im going for, a Jedi in balance, and its working really well too.

This is one of my favorite stories (not completed imperial agent yet mind you) much more interesting than the Knight, you really feel like a powerful Jedi I think.
I just started Act 2, currently doing the Balmorra bonus series. I am really liking the Consular the further I get in the story. I think that unlike other (or all?) stories they didn't actually take into account a dark side playthrough. Even the Sith Warrior feels natural and plausible when you make light side choices, AND the npcs throughout the story will recognize that.

I've been debating rerolling my consular to go a more gray/neutral route, Rajivari was one of the coolest things on Tython and I'd probably get along a little better with Qyzen

How does a more neutral playthrough work? I've made some dark side choices with my light side consular already, in the name of practicality in war time, but I still feel -too- goody two shoes. Might warrant a second playthrough.

But I digress. I really do enjoy the consular story. It's like you're the main support to the Jedi Knight and other classes, those little background intrigues that may go unnoticed but are the foundation upon which victory stands. You aren't the in your face hero, and some people just aren't into that, but those of us who do like this story probably like it because your character's actions and story are subtle but equally important.