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PvE Guide to the Lethality Sniper by B'oard

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PvE Guide to the Lethality Sniper by B'oard

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Torgru
10.24.2013 , 07:38 PM | #181
8man :/ I enjoy 16man, because it's a bunch of fun. But, my guild just doesn't have the bodies for it.

And yeah, definitely. Dummy parses =! raid skill in the slightest. Pushing out damage helps, but if you die because you weren't doing things right, that 3200 dps is going to drop to 0 really fast.
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paowee
10.28.2013 , 10:50 PM | #182
Forgot to update the OP! lol. Full Lethality/Dirty Fighting video >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78R46cOXxUQ
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RikuvonDrake
11.26.2013 , 07:37 PM | #183
Doing a bit of a necro here, but why would you not use Shrap Bomb before Shock Charge and then follow it up with Vital Shot in your dot rotation, considering that Shrap Bomb has a longer duration?

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namesaretough
11.27.2013 , 10:21 AM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by RikuvonDrake View Post
Doing a bit of a necro here, but why would you not use Shrap Bomb before Shock Charge and then follow it up with Vital Shot in your dot rotation, considering that Shrap Bomb has a longer duration?
As long as you apply them in the same order every time it doesn't really matter. The benefit of using shrap bomb after shock charge is that if something DOES go terribly wrong and you need to delay your second WS 3 seconds you're still OK, instead of the 1.5s you'd have if you started with shrap bomb. If everything is going well and you're reapplying in the same order every time, though, the order doesn't matter at all. (It was also kind of useful to lead with SC at 50 since it had the CD timer you could watch to make sure you started reapplying the dots at the correct time.)

The one thing you want to avoid is moving which GCD you're applying shock charge and vital shot on. For example, don't go Shrap bomb, Shock charge, GCD, Vital shot the first time, and SB-GCD-SC-VS while refreshing.
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RikuvonDrake
11.27.2013 , 01:01 PM | #185
Yea I always started with Shock Charge back pre. 2.0 but ended up starting with Shrap Bomb now since the duration is longer, but yea then I understand, thanks for the answer =)

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paowee
12.02.2013 , 05:51 PM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by RikuvonDrake View Post
Yea I always started with Shock Charge back pre. 2.0 but ended up starting with Shrap Bomb now since the duration is longer, but yea then I understand, thanks for the answer =)
Lol back in HM EC, i remember the main reason why i use Shock Charge first was for the 18 second timer. It's a good indication that you have to restart your rotation and reapply your DoTs again.
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Archaetorrhi
01.13.2014 , 11:12 AM | #187
Hey paowee, first off, thank you so much for setting up SWTORboard, that's been a huge help for me learning a number of new specs, including engineering! I'm persevering despite being surrounded by naysayers that engineering is too complicated...I'll prove 'em wrong! I was close to our top dps in HM bestia last night, so with some more refinement and solidification I'm getting there! All thanks to your guide. Hopefully it doesn't completely get screwed up with 2.6

Anyway, as to why I'm here. Hybrid! I've been working on this for a couple weeks, and I recently did my highest ever non-scatterbomb parse on the dummy of 3224 =D Here's my AMR: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...b-2ebe66d85bed and the parse: http://www.torparse.com/a/551062 There's a couple places where I screwed up the energy, but I'm getting closer to not doing that. I recently put in 1 crit enhancement as of yesterday right before this, and it really helped with energy management. How am I doing with the gear that I have? About where I should be, or is there more room for improvement in my fluidity and APM? Working on getting rid of those last 72s, but it's hard since we're currently working through corruptor (hopefully engi can help put that guy and his adds in the ground tonight ) and I can't get many optimized 78 enhancements yet.

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01.13.2014 , 03:03 PM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Archaetorrhi View Post
Hey paowee, first off, thank you so much for setting up SWTORboard, that's been a huge help for me learning a number of new specs, including engineering! I'm persevering despite being surrounded by naysayers that engineering is too complicated...I'll prove 'em wrong! I was close to our top dps in HM bestia last night, so with some more refinement and solidification I'm getting there! All thanks to your guide. Hopefully it doesn't completely get screwed up with 2.6

Anyway, as to why I'm here. Hybrid! I've been working on this for a couple weeks, and I recently did my highest ever non-scatterbomb parse on the dummy of 3224 =D Here's my AMR: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...b-2ebe66d85bed and the parse: http://www.torparse.com/a/551062 There's a couple places where I screwed up the energy, but I'm getting closer to not doing that. I recently put in 1 crit enhancement as of yesterday right before this, and it really helped with energy management. How am I doing with the gear that I have? About where I should be, or is there more room for improvement in my fluidity and APM? Working on getting rid of those last 72s, but it's hard since we're currently working through corruptor (hopefully engi can help put that guy and his adds in the ground tonight ) and I can't get many optimized 78 enhancements yet.
You are actually not that far behind !

Top Hybrid parse

Code:
2.27%	3	Ambush	22710	87.33	7570	66.67%
2.42%	5	Snipe	24306	93.46	4861.2	60%
2.82%	5	Takedown	28265	108.69	5653	40%
3.27%	36	Cluster Bombs	32778	126.04	910.5	19.44%
3.42%	40	Rifle Shot	34243	131.67	856.08	30%
5.37%	9	Explosive Probe (Tech)	53868	207.14	5985.33	44.44%
9.48%	93	Interrogation Probe (Tech)	95088	365.64	1022.45	36.56%
10.06%	16	Orbital Strike	100847	387.78	6302.94	43.75%
10.98%	49	Series of Shots	110086	423.31	2246.65	38.78%
11.19%	95	Poisoned (Tech)	112194	431.41	1180.99	48.42%
11.27%	104	Poisoned (Tech)	113011	434.56	1086.64	46.15%
27.44%	243	Cull	275115	1057.89	1132.16	39.51%
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Code:
1.64%	3	Ambush	13588	52.19	4529.33	0%
2.89%	5	Snipe	24047	92.36	4809.4	80%
3.79%	32	Cluster Bombs	31479	120.91	983.72	34.38%
4.33%	44	Rifle Shot	35950	138.08	817.05	31.82%
4.68%	8	Explosive Probe (Tech)	38907	149.44	4863.38	12.5%
6.86%	12	Orbital Strike	57008	218.96	4750.67	16.67%
9.48%	42	Series of Shots	78761	302.51	1875.26	21.43%
11.15%	92	Poisoned (Tech)	92654	355.88	1007.11	40.22%
11.26%	95	Interrogation Probe (Tech)	93491	359.09	984.12	37.89%
12.13%	95	Poisoned (Tech)	100738	386.93	1060.4	38.95%
31.79%	243	Cull
He used 2 more Series of Shots
5 more Takedowns
1 more Explosive Probe
1 more Orbital Strike

in the same amount of time. that's about it. Orbital strike is a different color because i don't know how badly the nerfs are going to be. right now i don't know which of the 2 is more DPS (hybrid or lethality if 2.6 hits live. this thread is quite convoluted so if you want to learn more about hybrid check out this thread over at the slinger forums http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=668053 instead
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Archaetorrhi
01.13.2014 , 03:27 PM | #189
Awesome, thanks! I actually used Tam's to learn hybrid and your guide to learn engineering. Question about stats - does full power have higher damage potential? I put in one crit enhancement, but I'm also now running into a couple situations where I'm at 100% energy for a gcd or two (like in the waiting period up to a cull when I'm casting sniper or during a SoS).

So I'm kinda confused on the future of snipers. Right now I know most of them (Used engi on bestia, hybrid on tyrans and MM on cal last night...was really exciting 'cause it was our first clear of the last two!) but I really have no idea how they're going to play after 2.6 with the orbital changes, is that just something we're going to have to wait and see? I'm good at learning things off of guides like yours and KBN's, but I'm not so great at theorycrafting/numbercrunching myself so I depend on the good folks like you two in order to learn this crazy new things Should I start learning lethality as well, or is that a waste of time with the other 3 specs under my belt?

Also, where are you finding the leading hybrid parse? I want to get a look at the data.

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paowee
01.13.2014 , 04:34 PM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by Archaetorrhi View Post
Awesome, thanks! I actually used Tam's to learn hybrid and your guide to learn engineering. Question about stats - does full power have higher damage potential? I put in one crit enhancement, but I'm also now running into a couple situations where I'm at 100% energy for a gcd or two (like in the waiting period up to a cull when I'm casting sniper or during a SoS).

So I'm kinda confused on the future of snipers. Right now I know most of them (Used engi on bestia, hybrid on tyrans and MM on cal last night...was really exciting 'cause it was our first clear of the last two!) but I really have no idea how they're going to play after 2.6 with the orbital changes, is that just something we're going to have to wait and see? I'm good at learning things off of guides like yours and KBN's, but I'm not so great at theorycrafting/numbercrunching myself so I depend on the good folks like you two in order to learn this crazy new things Should I start learning lethality as well, or is that a waste of time with the other 3 specs under my belt?

Also, where are you finding the leading hybrid parse? I want to get a look at the data.
Over here http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=685275 . Most people swear by full power 0 crit. but i like having some crit.. just personal preference. i have 1 crit earpiece iirc. You should definitely learn full lethality in light of the orbital nerfs just in case
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