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My concern about hacking not getting addressed

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My concern about hacking not getting addressed
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mulzii
01.11.2013 , 08:33 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Rendolphe View Post
^ True.

We heard a lot of Ginger and saw him in vid. But I only see 1 time a hacker on PoT5. Ugly lag in PvP is another top priority that BW should look. Time to upgrade your Internet connection BW :P.

Please BW if you catch these hackers, hang them high on the fleet so we can all throw our flashy cartel ball on them or turn them into training dummy on the fleet. I would be the first one to use my Heroic moment and Force choke them with my sage.
the 'true' exploiters ramp the speed up only a few notches above where force speed is. That way they dont seemingly teleport around, and anybody that sees them running around will just assume they are force-speeding. Hard to detect folks that are going only 10%-20% over force speed speeds. I know a whole guild that does this on pot5 (along with that idiotic /stuck tactic). When i see them in a wz (my team or the other), i just leave.

Not every hacker goes to the extreme like that ginger idiot...The real ones make subtle changes to gain their advantage undetected...

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01.11.2013 , 08:41 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by mulzii View Post
the 'true' exploiters ramp the speed up only a few notches above where force speed is. That way they dont seemingly teleport around, and anybody that sees them running around will just assume they are force-speeding. Hard to detect folks that are going only 10%-20% over force speed speeds. I know a whole guild that does this on pot5 (along with that idiotic /stuck tactic). When i see them in a wz (my team or the other), i just leave.

Not every hacker goes to the extreme like that ginger idiot...The real ones make subtle changes to gain their advantage undetected...
I can bet I know the guild you're referring to and again it is not true. It may have been in the past, not anymore.
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01.11.2013 , 09:49 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by mulzii View Post
the 'true' exploiters ramp the speed up only a few notches above where force speed is. ..
Thing is, you don't actually know this, as in have proof showing they were going x% faster. It's back to "they must be hacking they seem so fast" - unlike Mr Gin Ranger's example.

Saying hacking is so subtle you can't detect it a) means you can claim it's widespread, even if it isn't, because there could be loads but you can't tell. It's like the government spies who are snooping on your every move, but are so good you can never catch them; b) if it's so subtle it's barely detectable, how much benefit are they taking from it?

Again, not dismissing that some antisocial types will try to cheat. They will. I think it should be possible for someone at Bioware with access to warzone logs and a bit of analysis to be able to detect speed hacking results though, that shouldn't be impossible once they know to look for it. Anyone travelling between points faster than the buffs applied to them allow. Would probably need to be flagged to know to examine the individual though (server, name, date, time). The amount of data involved to cover everybody 100% of the time would be unmanageable.
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01.11.2013 , 10:08 AM | #54
I don't know how "wide spread" it is, but I've played enough WZs and enough online games to know when things simply don't feel right.
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01.11.2013 , 10:19 AM | #55
and modern psychology has proved time and again that homosapiens do not take the "being outplayed" concept as is and would like to throw blame on people/things based on the solidity of their gut feeling
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01.11.2013 , 10:29 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Cilas View Post
It's actually not that bad. Seriously. I don't know how many times I've heard people ***** about someone hacking when they are just playing really well. Hell, I've had people say the reported me for hacking and I obviously don't hack. I have only ever seen one hacker on pot5 and I think we all know who that is...
its easy to spot skill but even easier to spot hackers. Its pretty obvious when they zoom from one side of the map to the other in 2s or if they teleport. Whats even worse is there are players who are admitting the hacks, telling others how to do it, and openly mocking bioware for not catching them.

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Rendolphe
01.11.2013 , 11:15 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by mulzii View Post
the 'true' exploiters ramp the speed up only a few notches above where force speed is. That way they dont seemingly teleport around, and anybody that sees them running around will just assume they are force-speeding. Hard to detect folks that are going only 10%-20% over force speed speeds. I know a whole guild that does this on pot5 (along with that idiotic /stuck tactic). When i see them in a wz (my team or the other), i just leave.

Not every hacker goes to the extreme like that ginger idiot...The real ones make subtle changes to gain their advantage undetected...
Don't forget that few sage give bubble that stun AND give more speed for few second. There is a lot of passive through talent tree that give speed buff. Exemple the juggernaut/guardian can have speed buff for few second after zealous leap (20% / 40%).
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01.11.2013 , 11:42 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Ansalem View Post
its easy to spot skill but even easier to spot hackers. Its pretty obvious when they zoom from one side of the map to the other in 2s or if they teleport. Whats even worse is there are players who are admitting the hacks, telling others how to do it, and openly mocking bioware for not catching them.
Ok, again you are referring to only one person. We all know who that is.

How many times would you say you've been in a wz and seen someone teleport? What I thought.
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PlagaNerezza
01.11.2013 , 01:09 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by xxIncubixx View Post
lol most "hacks" that people report, is just bad client syncronization or just lag.
I am pretty certain I've seen people causing latency by using "speed" hacks.
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WorldSecurities
01.11.2013 , 04:27 PM | #60
Phillip Holmes
I can't go in to a lot of details, but I can say that actions are taken where appropriate by our Terms of Service team and have been since the launch of the game back in 2011.


Would have more confidence in your ToS team, if various public legal sites displayed court cases being filed. Along the lines of: "EA reserves the right to seek compensation from you to the fullest extent permissible by applicable law."

Phillip Holmes
"We're aware of the speed hacking that is occurring in the game; rest assured we are continually making adjustments to prevent it from continuing; furthermore anyone that gets caught using it will have their account suspended and/or banned."


Look at post #2, before SWTOR deletes it, of the thread below:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=580773

Going to that site, and the whois provides to legal who owns it, you can read this (edited):
"I (G******) am releasing a free trial of my hack to registered users. All you have to do is sign up and download the trial! The full version will be available in the coming weeks with all features and the price is to be determined."

^ forward to SWTOR Legal? ^

On the bright side, I do believe SWTOR is "making adjustments", because the recent comments from that site are priceless:

"crashes to desktop"
"We are kinda testing the waters right now. We are pretty sure that Bioware has buffed up their security after all the recent commotion about hacking. We are sure that the program itself is FUD but they are still monitoring certain data like distance traveled over time."
"Sorry man, doesn't seem to work"

There were older comments but the owner deleted them.

So +1 Bioware.

But was Bioware responsible for this?
Jack alias G******, "Unfortunately we experienced a loss of information and all logins were lost."

+1, but slap on the wrist.

Phillip Holmes
I realize the lack of correcting the more public exploiters in the past has implied they have had no actions taken against them. My only advice there is not to take at face value the words of the people who deliberately cheat.


When we see the Court dockets, we'll believe Bioware/EA.

Did try to send much of this privately, but Customer Service circular filed it.
Star Wars: The Old Republic Customer Service, "In order to better protect your account, all Billing, Subscription and Account Security issues are dealt with via our Customer Service telephone support. You can contact our Customer Service team over the phone"

Try setting up some form of direct line to Security. It's a sign that a company takes security matters seriously.

And do look into the Electronic Arts (owner of Bioware) solution, PunkBuster.
https://help.ea.com/article/how-do-i...all-punkbuster

With the Electronic Arts quarterly earnings call coming up, and many of the analysts literally a phone call away, your public get tough policy is a good thing.

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