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Phantom and Spymaster gear changes

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Phantom and Spymaster gear changes
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LetoAtreidesII
01.09.2013 , 01:27 AM | #651
I called this way back when it was first posted. I knew it was going to be a problem:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...67#post5569667

I find it silly that people are acting like it has to be one way or the other.

Like I said back then, there will be people who prefer the previous appearance and those who prefer the new one.
People have different tastes and all can and should catered to. There needn't be only one or the other appearance. They should have added NEW armor sets to those cartel packs with the advertised appearances instead of changing the appearance of the existing sets. But my suggestion fell on deaf ears.

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Asuka
01.09.2013 , 01:29 AM | #652
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
I saw no previews of Perceptor chest piece having the hood up. No artwork for it either.

Now, this doesn't effect me in anyway, other than I spent in game creds (wasted now) and my companion I put it on now needs a new outfit, since I didnt want him having a hood up. But it's better than it being something my character was wearing.
The cartel pack art shows the Preceptor, Revan's and Phantom and I think Spymaster how they were intended to look. Don't know about any other promo art but the pack art is the most obvious one and that one does show hood Preceptor and sorcerored out Phantom outfit. Granted I thought the "unintended Phantom art was decent, I knew they were going to fix it to what they intended so can't really complain about them correcting something they implemented incorrectly in the first place.

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Vhaegrant
01.09.2013 , 01:29 AM | #653
The Cartel pack the items in question are from work on a Lucky Dip basis.
You will have to buy more than one cartel pack to have any chance of getting the item you want.
You buy a cartel pack, you may or may not be lucky in getting the item you want.
You end up selling cartel pack items you don't want on the GTN to raise ingame credits.
You use ingame credits to purchase the cartel pack items you want from the GTN.

Irrespective of whether the cartel pack artwork was representitive of the contents, having the wrong item in the pack does not disrupt this chain. At no point is the player forced to keep buying the packs once they have been made aware that the item they were hoping for is not available. At no point are they forced to equip the unwanted items and bind them to their character. Cartel pack purchasers who felt cheated were at best little more than inconvenienced and given a good cash earner (I paid about 300K for my Phantom chestguard before the change).

Many players encountered these items ingame on the GTN.
Search the GTN for items you like the look of.
Preview the items to see how they look on your character (and can I thank you BW for finally having the colour match work in preview mode)
If you like the item purchase it and equip it, thus binding it to your character.

These are the two variables. One was an inconvenience and could have been solved by apologising for artwork being used on the packs that were not in the said packs, an oversight and teething issues as the cartel market gets rolling. And then add the intended models in a new cartel pack. Players inconvenienced in this fashion should have made more than enough on the GTN through the sale of their items to cover the costs.

The other outcome has been for the players who bound an item to them based on how it appeared on the ingame previewer to have their items altered in a radical manner. These items are for all intense purpose of no use to those players affected as they cannot sell them on to recoup their losses.


And this constant mentioning of the Dev tracker post. I check the Dev tracker and I missed this one, namely because in the Thread title and the Dev response there was no specific mention of the items affected. And it was in a particularly busy time of the year when I have even less time to read through every thread that pops up on the forum.

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Taorus
01.09.2013 , 01:30 AM | #654
Quote: Originally Posted by LetoAtreidesII View Post
I called this way back when it was first posted. I knew it was going to be a problem:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...67#post5569667

I find it silly that people are acting like it has to be one way or the other.

Like I said back then, there will be people who prefer the previous appearance and those who prefer the new one.
People have different tastes and all can and should catered to. There needn't be only one or the other appearance. They should have added NEW armor sets to those cartel packs with the advertised appearances instead of changing the appearance of the existing sets. But my suggestion fell on deaf ears.
But people bought those packs for the armor that was advertised, Why should THEY have to by new packs?

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MiralukaJedi
01.09.2013 , 01:30 AM | #655
Quote: Originally Posted by LetoAtreidesII View Post
I called this way back when it was first posted. I knew it was going to be a problem:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...67#post5569667

I find it silly that people are acting like it has to be one way or the other.

Like I said back then, there will be people who prefer the previous appearance and those who prefer the new one.
People have different tastes and all can and should catered to. There needn't be only one or the other appearance. They should have added NEW armor sets to those cartel packs with the advertised appearances instead of changing the appearance of the existing sets. But my suggestion fell on deaf ears.
Thank you, wasn't positive if it said the item was wrong or specifically that it should match the promo.

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Asuka
01.09.2013 , 01:32 AM | #656
Quote: Originally Posted by MiralukaJedi View Post
If you could be so kind as to link where they said they were changing the item as opposed to the preview?

The main point of my post is inconsistency. One item they decide to change the art for, another they change the item.

For an "accidental" or "mistaken" item, I've noticed the in-game icon AND the preview image both showed a regular suit. I'd think that when the item itself, the icon for the item, the preview window for the item, etc all display one thing I could trust it.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...50#edit5569050

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DarthVandalism
01.09.2013 , 01:33 AM | #657
So, I do not like the changes to my characters outfit, and people are telling me that I should come to the forums and spend hours of my RL time sifting through this garbage to find out that it may get switched on me for something I do not care for.

Before I bought, I used the preview window. Why? Because I do not give a rats *** about what some artist drew for an illustration of the packs. I care about what my character looks like in game. I bought what I liked. I do not have what I bought. I do not like what I have. PERIOD! This is called fraud. Hiding disclosure on a forum is not customer clear disclosure.

I would like it changed back, my money back, or the option to get what I originally purchased without having to shell out a lot more money or credits or both.

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Dire-Wolf
01.09.2013 , 01:38 AM | #658
Quote: Originally Posted by Karaiblis View Post

Why cant they fire their armor graphic designers and hire some real talent, this game has the unsexiest armor in any MMO I've ever played, and now they changed the two few exceptions to be just as bad after people paid real money for them.
No, go away. This game doens't need "sexy" armour, if you want sexist armour go play a game like TERA, but keep that sort of design far away from TOR. The dancing outfits are already pushing it too far, we don't need anything else like that.

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MiralukaJedi
01.09.2013 , 01:40 AM | #659
See the biggest problem comes to looking at the majority of people who currently have the robes.

I said it already, but those that currently have it bound and stuck to them with no option to sell, trade, replace, etc are those that liked the old one. They KEPT it, they bound it, they wore it. Now they are given a completely different look.

Those that liked the "Artwork" probably didn't bind it to them. Once they saw how it looked the majority most likely sold it, got rid of it, etc. It's possible some people kept it for about a month, but in general the majority of people with it BOUND are those that liked it. (Throw away/sell things you hate, keep things you like, basic human nature).

By making a change to an item people have (correcting or fixing or whatever) it takes something that someone liked, kept, and bound and throwing it away.

If they wanted to add the new sets they should have added the sets as being new suits/correct, etc. Then nobody would be STUCK with a hated look. That's the problem. Those that didn't get what they wanted could sell the old, get the new, like how irl you replace clothes.

It's better to the majority to offer new clothes to buy then to rip up and change someone's existing clothes.

I acknowledge that bioware in a small, single post on a forum (which as evidenced by "We accidentally changed it and will change it back. Wait I'm wrong" isn't always right) said that it was wrong. But the point still stands.

Just for a moment let's try and look in the other's shoes. You log on and find your character looking at you in a completely different outfit and everything is changed and you hate the look. (Picture for me your most hated outfit, whatever you find ugly and stupid). You spent a large amount on this item because you liked the look and now your character is staring at you in something else.

They changed your character. Regardless the reason, your character now looks different from how you left it. This character of yours was changed without your permission and now looks different. You'd be pissed and rightfully so. REGARDLESS the reason.

THAT'S why it'd have been better to offer the new set as opposed to force a change. Nobody likes having their character altered.

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Taorus
01.09.2013 , 01:47 AM | #660
Quote: Originally Posted by MiralukaJedi View Post
See the biggest problem comes to looking at the majority of people who currently have the robes.

I said it already, but those that currently have it bound and stuck to them with no option to sell, trade, replace, etc are those that liked the old one. They KEPT it, they bound it, they wore it. Now they are given a completely different look.

Those that liked the "Artwork" probably didn't bind it to them. Once they saw how it looked the majority most likely sold it, got rid of it, etc. It's possible some people kept it for about a month, but in general the majority of people with it BOUND are those that liked it. (Throw away/sell things you hate, keep things you like, basic human nature).

By making a change to an item people have (correcting or fixing or whatever) it takes something that someone liked, kept, and bound and throwing it away.

If they wanted to add the new sets they should have added the sets as being new suits/correct, etc. Then nobody would be STUCK with a hated look. That's the problem. Those that didn't get what they wanted could sell the old, get the new, like how irl you replace clothes.

It's better to the majority to offer new clothes to buy then to rip up and change someone's existing clothes.

I acknowledge that bioware in a small, single post on a forum (which as evidenced by "We accidentally changed it and will change it back. Wait I'm wrong" isn't always right) said that it was wrong. But the point still stands.

Just for a moment let's try and look in the other's shoes. You log on and find your character looking at you in a completely different outfit and everything is changed and you hate the look. (Picture for me your most hated outfit, whatever you find ugly and stupid). You spent a large amount on this item because you liked the look and now your character is staring at you in something else.

They changed your character. Regardless the reason, your character now looks different from how you left it. This character of yours was changed without your permission and now looks different. You'd be pissed and rightfully so. REGARDLESS the reason.

THAT'S why it'd have been better to offer the new set as opposed to force a change. Nobody likes having their character altered.
Wow...nice blinder's


I got mine from the cartel packs....been holding on to them for when(today) BioWare corrected their mistake.
I originally purchase the cartel packs for the armor advertised on the cartel packs. I did not get what was advertised. Now, you want me to have to buy new packs in the hopes of getting Armor I had already purchased?