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Phantom and Spymaster gear changes

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Phantom and Spymaster gear changes
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Taorus
01.09.2013 , 12:44 AM | #641
Quote: Originally Posted by Ryvenn View Post
well the devs have stated both spymaster and phantom are being reverted. so quite obviously the general public as a whole liked the initial release look rather than this ridiculous current look.

i mean it looks like you have turn signals on your shoulders and a break light on your chest as well as a neck pillow used to sleep while on an airplane (as someone mentioned previously). were there no red lights or neck pillows, i'd have been good. Dorking it up with lights and 80's era shoulder pads for women = Epitome of Epic Fail.

Wrong....they are not being reverted.

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DarthVandalism
01.09.2013 , 12:47 AM | #642
This really pissed me off. I spent quite a bit of RL money on packs specifically to get an adaptive armor usable at low level that looked good and did not have a hood. And no, I do not want a stupid headband either, I want to be able to hide that and not have the stupid hood up. Would Bioware like to buy this costume piece back for me? If not, then kiss my sub goodbye.

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PoliteAssasin
01.09.2013 , 12:48 AM | #643
They never said it was going back. They fixed an issue that many asked them to fix. The picture shows what it looks like now, back then the actual armor wasnt like that. You can't advertise something for purchase, and the surprise someone with a different piece of armor after they buy it. Maybe you can ask them for the bugged version in another pack if you like it, but these corrections are here to stay. A developer even mentioned it in another thread.
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01.09.2013 , 12:50 AM | #644
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghyren View Post
BW, this is a mess you have on your hands. The spymaster, phantom, and trailblazer changes are not welcomed by the majority of players..

Did you personally poll every player in the game to come up with a majority? They aren't changes, they're fixes to acknowledged known issues with incorrectly implemented armor sets which has been a known issue for a month now.

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PoliteAssasin
01.09.2013 , 01:00 AM | #645
You don't see the preview window until you purchase it. Not everyone looks for armor on the GTN. The advertised picture was what many wanted. Now we have it.
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SithKoriandr
01.09.2013 , 01:00 AM | #646
Quote: Originally Posted by Asuka View Post
Did you personally poll every player in the game to come up with a majority? They aren't changes, they're fixes to acknowledged known issues with incorrectly implemented armor sets which has been a known issue for a month now.
I saw no previews of Perceptor chest piece having the hood up. No artwork for it either.

Now, this doesn't effect me in anyway, other than I spent in game creds (wasted now) and my companion I put it on now needs a new outfit, since I didnt want him having a hood up. But it's better than it being something my character was wearing.

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01.09.2013 , 01:01 AM | #647
Quote: Originally Posted by MiralukaJedi View Post
I hate to jump on what others have said but this pretty much sums it up.

It's in consistency all over. The new pack you are changing the "artwork for" because the item doesn't match. Revan's robes you change to make match the "in-game Revan" and ignore the icons and the preview images. The Phantom robes you change to match the art.

It seems that the changes come at random with art being changed one day, icon another, item another, and it makes a chaotic mess.

While I can respect the desire to make an item match the advertisement after weeks and weeks of the item being out people weren't wearing and buying the item because of the advertisement but because of the preview window. Had it been a quick change that would have been one thing, but after weeks the market for an item existed and countless people spent credits or cartel coins to get it after witnessing and looking at it. By this point changing it wasn't going to make people happy for obvious reasons. Those that wanted it after seeing the advertisement had probably seen what it looked like and weren't buying it. Those that had it and didn't get rid of it LIKED it. Now all these people logged on to see something they had massively changed.

I highly doubt people that didn't like it kept it all up until now and waited and hoped for a change. By now it was probably gotten rid of if people didn't like it. That means the majority of people with the item liked it and were given a whole separate item.

Now, purchases made for it today obviously are because of liking the new outfit but do you think more purchases were made today or in the past few weeks? At this point the item exist for both. You have the data, you have the files, all it takes is a release of something that already exists. Hardly any work.

If you bought a suit after trying it on in the dressing room and woke up one morning to find the suit completely different and your clothes all mixed up and screwy you'd be obviously ticked off. People buy and keep clothing they like and throw out clothing they don't like. Changing something like that means that the people with the new item were ones that liked the old one.
They told people a month ago it was wrong, that it should match the promos and that they were going to fix it just as they were informed the Revan robe in the art and the actual item were both incorrect compared to Revan in-game which they also stated they would correct. Buying it in any form after they stated this is buying at your own risk. It doesn't make one entitled to keep the faulty item in question. Even before they acknowledged it was wrong, the sets being different from the pack art should be an indication there's a problem.

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01.09.2013 , 01:03 AM | #648
Quote: Originally Posted by Kyrrant View Post
Simply put?

People paid real-world money for an item, and the item's graphics (the only reason they bought the item at all, really) were changed without their consent. Regardless of what the intended design initially was, these armor pieces were able to be previewed on the characters before their purchase, and showed an image they liked, so they purchased it.

The analogy would be if you purchased a painting from an artist, and the artist came by a month later and made some changes to the piece without your consent. If you like the change, then good for you. If you didn't like it, then you just had something you owned messed with without your consent.

Yes, I'm aware that the TOS says that all the items are really owned by bioware, they can do whatever they want, yadda yadda yadda, but the question is one of morality: Should they be doing these sort of changes on people who didn't ask for the changes?

Frankly, at the minimum, Bioware should refund the players who purchased the old looks and liked them, or restore the original looks across the board, or create a second version with the old looks and give them to those that prefer the old looks. Otherwise, why should I purchase any cosmetic item from the shop, if I'm not sure that's how the art is going to remain?
Well, you are not being truthful when you say you paid "real money" for the items.

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SithKoriandr
01.09.2013 , 01:08 AM | #649
Yes! Change it back! I bought the chest piece specifically because it didn't have a hood!

*edit* Don't care for the shoulder pieces either!

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MiralukaJedi
01.09.2013 , 01:26 AM | #650
Quote: Originally Posted by Asuka View Post
They told people a month ago it was wrong, that it should match the promos and that they were going to fix it just as they were informed the Revan robe in the art and the actual item were both incorrect compared to Revan in-game which they also stated they would correct. Buying it in any form after they stated this is buying at your own risk. It doesn't make one entitled to keep the faulty item in question. Even before they acknowledged it was wrong, the sets being different from the pack art should be an indication there's a problem.
If you could be so kind as to link where they said they were changing the item as opposed to the preview?

The main point of my post is inconsistency. One item they decide to change the art for, another they change the item.

For an "accidental" or "mistaken" item, I've noticed the in-game icon AND the preview image both showed a regular suit. I'd think that when the item itself, the icon for the item, the preview window for the item, etc all display one thing I could trust it.