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Shadow Tank Pvp Spec and Gear Discussion

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Shadow Tank Pvp Spec and Gear Discussion

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ncutbeta
01.05.2013 , 04:46 AM | #1
tl;dr version: which spec and gear you use as a shadow tank in pvp, how you mod your gear, what stats are you focusing on augments?

  • My spec: 31/0/10 (I know its not ideal, will switch to 27/1/13 soon)
  • Gear: full WH Survivor with resolve augments (will/end), started to grind for stalker. Trying in Stalker hands and wrist now ( financial reasons) to see if is any (minimal) difference in damage output. Will try in full DPS gear, or modding from DPS gear.
  • Stats: obviously I lack of Will so need some mods there, then power, surge and crit as well

I added a screenshot with unbuffed stats.

Edit: spec changed to 23/1/17

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Hey fellow shadows, I'm just simply curious of your pvp tanking experience in general and like to hear your opinion/experience on specs, gear, modding and augmenting. I know there's a lot of useful threads around these topics with comments of veteran shadows like Shinarika and Kitru (and ofc more), but I'd like to dedicate this discussion narrowing down only to shadow pvp tanking.

First of all i love my shadow, it wasn't love at first sight though for obvious reasons (sometimes pain levelling up, not being useful as a newbie at all etc.) After around lvl 40 now thats where the serious fun started. As a shadow tank I always play objectives (guarding nodes and healers, call incs, harassing enemies etc) even in Hypergates where guarding the node gets you nothing.

Yeah somtimes It gets boring but eventually the fight will come for you, and playing objectives (that somtimes no one wants) can actually help the team to win. My favourite side of the shadow tank is that you can be the pain in the arse for your enemies.

You got loads of skills to harass them, and if they get angry they'll make mistakes. I got this 'mazochistic' habit to harass smashers (no I don't wanna go there). Reason is if you keep going back to them they'll pursue you for good, and its beneficial for your teammates. Or pulling the ballhandler in huttball (one of my favs).

Thing is i could write a novel about why I like being a shadow. For me is all a about finding your playstyle, have fun even if you lose (at least you tried), get the best out of your class. And yes, somtimes being smashed, mezzed etc. to the ground is pain and annoying.

Truth to be told my shadow brings me back to play no matter what the FOTM is or how hard is to win.

Have fun guys,

Encut
lvl 50 Shadow Tank
TOFN

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toyfanatic
01.05.2013 , 03:21 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by ncutbeta View Post
tl;dr version: which spec and gear you use as a shadow tank in pvp, how you mod your gear, what stats are you focusing on augments?

  • My spec: 31/0/10 (I know its not ideal, will switch to 27/1/13 soon)
  • Gear: full WH Survivor with resolve augments (will/end), started to grind for stalker. Trying in Stalker hands and wrist now ( financial reasons) to see if is any (minimal) difference in damage output. Will try in full DPS gear, or modding from DPS gear.
  • Stats: obviously I lack of Will so need some mods there, then power, surge and crit as well

I added a screenshot with unbuffed stats.

--------------------------

Hey fellow shadows, I'm just simply curious of your pvp tanking experience in general and like to hear your opinion/experience on specs, gear, modding and augmenting. I know there's a lot of useful threads around these topics with comments of veteran shadows like Shinarika and Kitru (and ofc more), but I'd like to dedicate this discussion narrowing down only to shadow pvp tanking.

First of all i love my shadow, it wasn't love at first sight though for obvious reasons (sometimes pain levelling up, not being useful as a newbie at all etc.) After around lvl 40 now thats where the serious fun started. As a shadow tank I always play objectives (guarding nodes and healers, call incs, harassing enemies etc) even in Hypergates where guarding the node gets you nothing.

Yeah somtimes It gets boring but eventually the fight will come for you, and playing objectives (that somtimes no one wants) can actually help the team to win. My favourite side of the shadow tank is that you can be the pain in the arse for your enemies.

You got loads of skills to harass them, and if they get angry they'll make mistakes. I got this 'mazochistic' habit to harass smashers (no I don't wanna go there). Reason is if you keep going back to them they'll pursue you for good, and its beneficial for your teammates. Or pulling the ballhandler in huttball (one of my favs).

Thing is i could write a novel about why I like being a shadow. For me is all a about finding your playstyle, have fun even if you lose (at least you tried), get the best out of your class. And yes, somtimes being smashed, mezzed etc. to the ground is pain and annoying.

Truth to be told my shadow brings me back to play no matter what the FOTM is or how hard is to win.

Have fun guys,

Encut
lvl 50 Shadow Tank
TOFN
You are not alone, I play a survivor/duelist geared shadow in pvp. I love it, and I don't have qualms about being a despoiler or defender through most matches I agree with you using resolve augments but I also use absorb and defense augments. I don't got a screen shot , but I have stacked a few points in endurance and absorb to make it ok to tank in pve with it. Also the healers love me, for always pealing some one off them. I do get some gratification from being hard to kill. With harnesses shadows and battle ready for some self heals, its pretty amazing how long you can survive. The down side is we kill stuff slowly and follow the same problems as tanks in pvp, but atleast we do more dps than the other true tanks in pvp. Keep tanking
A brother shadowtank.

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Strengthofrage
01.05.2013 , 04:11 PM | #3
Love my shadow...

I have tried various specs with 27/1/13 being the most productive overall for wz's. I have fully augmented WH minus relics (full stalker) and find that it works well. I recently gave infiltration a shot again and felt less usefully in pvp. I'm in no way 'awesome' but I know how to help my team. I enjoyed inf but my results sucked. There are times where I get completely decimated but I get over it.

Over all I really enjoy playing a shadow
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ncutbeta
01.06.2013 , 08:27 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by toyfanatic View Post
You are not alone, I play a survivor/duelist geared shadow in pvp. I love it, and I don't have qualms about being a despoiler or defender through most matches I agree with you using resolve augments but I also use absorb and defense augments. I don't got a screen shot , but I have stacked a few points in endurance and absorb to make it ok to tank in pve with it. Also the healers love me, for always pealing some one off them. I do get some gratification from being hard to kill. With harnesses shadows and battle ready for some self heals, its pretty amazing how long you can survive. The down side is we kill stuff slowly and follow the same problems as tanks in pvp, but atleast we do more dps than the other true tanks in pvp. Keep tanking
A brother shadowtank.
Hey, many thanks for your answer. Which spec do you use in WZs? In case of full KC build (any version), you prefer Mental Fortitude or Applied Force?

Cheers,

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ncutbeta
01.06.2013 , 08:42 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Strengthofrage View Post
Love my shadow...

I have tried various specs with 27/1/13 being the most productive overall for wz's. I have fully augmented WH minus relics (full stalker) and find that it works well. I recently gave infiltration a shot again and felt less usefully in pvp. I'm in no way 'awesome' but I know how to help my team. I enjoyed inf but my results sucked. There are times where I get completely decimated but I get over it.

Over all I really enjoy playing a shadow
Another like-minded shadow! So you tanking in full DPS gear right? Which augments you use? Cant wait to get my WH stalker gear as well and start to experiment with different gear setups and mods . I completely agree with you about usefulnes, I just feel that need some extra DPS atm.

Thx,

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RGMetal
01.06.2013 , 10:38 AM | #6
Gear link in my sig.

I typically run a 27/1/13 or 23/1/17 build.

Edit: Changed my opinion. lol
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ncutbeta
01.07.2013 , 02:43 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by RGMetal View Post
Gear link in my sig.

I typically run a 27/1/13 or 23/1/17 build.

Edit: Changed my opinion. lol
Haha, nice!

You're way ahead in terms of gearing. For real. Started to browse through your armory, very interesting choices there. Need to check the details, but me liking the stats/numbers.

Thx,

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toyfanatic
01.07.2013 , 07:35 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by ncutbeta View Post
Hey, many thanks for your answer. Which spec do you use in WZs? In case of full KC build (any version), you prefer Mental Fortitude or Applied Force?

Cheers,

Encut
Np, for pvp I spec a bit odd. I use 33/0/8 in KC. I use both mental foritude and applied force in pvp. More dps and hp are good things to have when your in pvp tanking gear. Since pvp gear is main stat and endurance anemic. For pvp I don't take elusivness and put the extra points in mental fortitude. Minus the two extra points in balance tree , because i don't miss psychokinesis. I think rescourse management is less of a issue in pvp. Its just a slight modified pve build. For gear wise I did swap out the expertise crystals in MH and OH for endurance crystals, with full WH you will still sit over the magic 1300 expertise.
Hope that helps.
A brother shadow tank.

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ncutbeta
01.09.2013 , 02:56 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by toyfanatic View Post
Np, for pvp I spec a bit odd. I use 33/0/8 in KC. I use both mental foritude and applied force in pvp. More dps and hp are good things to have when your in pvp tanking gear. Since pvp gear is main stat and endurance anemic. For pvp I don't take elusivness and put the extra points in mental fortitude. Minus the two extra points in balance tree , because i don't miss psychokinesis. I think rescourse management is less of a issue in pvp. Its just a slight modified pve build. For gear wise I did swap out the expertise crystals in MH and OH for endurance crystals, with full WH you will still sit over the magic 1300 expertise.
Hope that helps.
A brother shadow tank.
Hmm, never seen that spec before. I just started to mess around with 23/1/17. I use it for both PvP and PvE just to see how this spec performs. So far I really like it. My damage output is slightly better (once I managed to reach 170k in Civil War, obviously the other team wasn't PWN, but still) and largely depends on my role (guarding or attackin mid etc.). I still need to get used to Force in Balance, but so far it feels worth to change from Slow Time, insta sap can be very useful in certain situations as well. Still need to figure out the best rotation etc. so way to go for me. +1 : I don't feel much more squishy, neither PvP or PvE (depends on healer/FP ofc).

All in all: bb 31/0/10. Was kinda hard to change but now *me liking* the new spec. Big time.
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CarthOnansi
01.09.2013 , 09:21 AM | #10
Hey buddy another fellow dedicated shadow here

Had been rolling scoundrel however just finished gearing fully for all 3 specs in PvP and healz and damage in PvE. So felt like I needed something new.

Rolled shadow (love my stealth classes) and figured I might have some fun tanking and offtanking.

As of the moment I hit 50 a while ago and got myself gearing both for PvP and PvE. PvE I am currently in full rakata/black hole with half of it min maxed. PvP I am in 3/4 war hero. (for pure tanking spec, problem is I play different specs in different gear so haven't really finished anything off yet)

I run several specs, all focus on tanking (with the exception of when I decide to run full infiltration or my survivability hybird).

I am unsure as to what to think about gear many say tanking in dps gear is plenty good but I personally feel as though I am not doing my job. so I run a kinda hybrid gear for my tank. With focus on defense rating for the survivability. All I have then is augments with power focus and getting my crit to about 150 surge to 200 rest power focused (didn't expand on willpower am theory crafting that now).

However I have found pure tanking to be ok (with shield, high defence and absorb) abit like a utility meat shield but good for tanking. However I am still unsure given so many say shield and absorb are useless, I am in the same boat. Working out tanking gear is hard.

Keep going with the tanking and know you got many people out here willing to help. Together I am sure we can get very far with getting toward the perfect shadow tank.


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