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Kaggath Heats: Darth Malgus vs Prince Xizor

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Kaggath Heats: Darth Malgus vs Prince Xizor

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Ausstig
01.04.2013 , 08:04 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Oh and yes, pheromones do work on the opposite sex. But that's just... creepy. *shudder*
Yes do try not picture Malgus Naked with Xizor.




Enjoy that thought.

Good night.
Have Force lightning will travel

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Warren-Stride
01.04.2013 , 08:24 AM | #12
G0-T0 won. I can die happy.

I promise I won't "bombard" this thread like I did the G0-T0 one. I just have a few things to say, then I might be taking a little break.

PLEASE NOTE: It was said that Xizor was the third most powerful man in the galaxy during his time, rivaled only by Darth Vader and the Emporer. (Which means he's more powerful than Zann, who existed during the same time. :P )

Needless to say, Xizor is going to have galactic influence. And the guy is probably the richest being in the galaxy. He might not have much of an army now, but without any other major powers than Malgus, he could easily raise one with his credit chips.

Xizor's information network spans throughout the galaxy. He will know of Malgus's operations. Only if Malgus hides on his stealth fleet and does nothing but hit and run will Xizor have a hard time finding him. Which is unrealistic, considering his ship'll have to go into port sometime. Also, stealthed ships won't help Malgus much here. Remember that Crystal Decloaker from last debate? Xizor can buy like 5. Those devices plus him spy network = no element of surprise for Malgus.

OMG. HK-47 vs. Guri. That would be a freaking EPIC battle. Not sure who would win, but I like to think Guri has a better chance. She's just a boss.

Ways Xizor could kill Malgus:
- Guri poses as an Imperial Officer, infaltrates Malgus's fleet when it goes into port, and assassinate Malgus.
- Blow up his Space Station, like last time. Xizor uses his spy network to find it and infiltrates it.
- Xizor uses his pheromones on someone close to him (DANG no Darth Karrid! Um.... his new apprentice....?)
- Use Assassins! (Do IG-88s exist? Or IG-87s? Because Xizor would totally be able to buy/find them.)

Obviously I'm voting for Xizor. :P
~~ AiR ~~
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A weapon that could destroy you?
Or a weapon that could turn you into a monster?

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Warren-Stride
01.04.2013 , 09:10 AM | #13
Ok ok, one scenario, because I'm really liking Guri.

Right from "GO!", Xizor uses his contacts and network to get fake Imperial papers for Guri. She poses as Ensign Irug, and infaltrates an imperial port. Malgus's fleet has to dock for supplies at some point, and then Guri slips on board. Eventually Ensign Irug and whatever battleship she slips onto will meet up with Malgus's fleet or space station. With assassin mode activated, Guri does what she needs to to steal a shuttle and land in Malgus's hanger. Now on Malgus's flagship or space station, whichever one he's on, Guri would rage throughout the ship, making her way to the engine room. If discovered, she'll kill all security. She might run into HK-47, but even if she does, I bet she could beat him. Moving on, she sabotages the station, activating the self destruct sequence. To keep Malgus's on board, Guri confronts him and probably gets crushed. But the self destruct activates and Malgus dies.

The question is, can Guri reach Malgus's station before Malgus kills Xizor?
This won't be a short mission. It'll take time.
~~ AiR ~~
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A weapon that could destroy you?
Or a weapon that could turn you into a monster?

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Wolfninjajedi
01.04.2013 , 09:24 AM | #14
Damn was hoping to get my Analysis thread of the Black Sun done before this was up...but anyway Warren kinda already covered with what I was gonna say. But here are the vehicles that the Black Sun has at their disposal.

Ships

1. AEG-77 Vigo- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/AEG-77_Vigo

2. V-wing Starfighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha...ng_starfighter

3. IPV-1 System Patrol Craft- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/IPV-1...m_Patrol_Craft

4. Interceptor-class frigate- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Inter...-class_frigate

5. Ixiyen-class fast attack craft- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ixiye...t_attack_craft

6. Kihraxz light fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kihraxz_light_fighter

7. Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rihkxyrk_Assault_Fighter

8. StarViper-class attack platform- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/StarV...ttack_platform

9. Stinger(Guri's ship)- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stinger

10. Supa Fighter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Supa_Fighter

11. Vaksai- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vaksai

12. Venator-class Star Destroyer- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venat...Star_Destroyer

13. Virago(Xizor's ship)- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Virago

14. Z-95 HeadHunter- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z-95_Headhunter
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Ground vehicles

There isn't much in the way of ground vehicles but...its not like the Black Sun can't afford/find other vehicles and such to use.

1. Infantry Support Platform- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Infan...pport_Platform

2. Bantha-2 cargo skiff- http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bantha-II_cargo_skiff
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Plus anything else the Black Sun can get their hands on due to the fact, they are loaded(extremely) and are EVERYWHERE. I don't see any betraying Xizor, due to the fact to betray him and the Black Sun is the equivalent to signing your own death warrant...which is something I seriously doubt any would do.

Also to add, even though she is a human replica droid....Xizor/Guri relationship is oddly hot.
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-Star-Scream-
01.04.2013 , 09:32 AM | #15
A lot of people are forgetting that Darth Malgus was very strong in the force and a prime example of a Juggernaut. Don't think he can be assassinated so easily as you're all making out.

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Aurbere
01.04.2013 , 09:57 AM | #16
I was going to post a scenario for this fight, but it seems Warren has done that for me.

Ah, what the heck? Here we go:

So Malgus has the stealthed vessels, which will give him an advantage for a fair amount of time. But this advantage can be easily taken away by Xizor's cunning. Those decloaker generators will do it, but Xizor can also trick Malgus into recruiting some of his spies. Or we can go with Warren's scenario and have Guri infiltrate. Though I do disagree with Warren's overall scenario. Remember that the Sith Empire (and most likely Malgus' Empire) is all about protocol and doing things by the book, so Guri will need the proper clearance in order to successfully sabotage Malgus' vessel. So while Xizor is infiltrating Malgus' stealthed fleet, Malgus is searching for him.

So let's say he does find Xizor (where exactly is Xizor going to be? Coruscant?), he will have the military power to defeat any army Xizor can build. Granted this relies on Guri being successful, but can she kill Malgus? It wouldn't matter because if Guri is successful in sabotaging Malgus' flagship, he's dead. But if Malgus is able to kill Xizor via orbital bombardment, or even leaving his flagship to confront Xizor, the infiltrate plan fails. Costing Xizor Guri and Malgus one ship.

Can we all agree that Malgus could beat Xizor in a fight? If so, Xizor will be forced to flee, leaving a nice little trap for Malgus. The trap probably won't kill him, but it gives Xizor time to escape.

Question: Is Guri replaceable? If so, we're back to square one?
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Beniboybling
01.04.2013 , 10:18 AM | #17
OK, basically Malgus is probably going to be on the Emperor's Space Station, not a flagship (which has a cloaking device) and Xizor is either going to be in his palace on Coruscant or his Skyhook. Xizor seems a lot more vulnerable.

Warren Stride's scenario is a good one. But I doubt it would be successful on the space station of the Sith Emperor which is most certainly the most well guarded, high-security and most impenetrable fortress the Sith Empire ever had in its arsenal, and Darth Malgus is sitting in its most secure room - the throne room. Sorry Warren but that kinda blows your scenario out of the water () no Ensign is going to be allowed on that space station - and she probably couldn't sabotage it anyway (she'd have to hack into its systems and even Theron Shan - and SIS agent couldn't blow up the Ascendant Spear from the inside, what are her chances?) And then there's the Force, Guri is a droid but Malgus will likely sense a disturbance in the Force and escape or something.

Basically I don't think that's an avenue of action, Malgus needs to be drawn out first for the plan to work. But can Xizor do that before Malgus blows his skyhook into space dust or has him assassinated by HK-47?

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Aurbere
01.04.2013 , 10:33 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
And then there's the Force, Guri is a droid but Malgus will likely sense a disturbance in the Force and escape or something.

It should be important to note that Guri was able to tangle with Luke Skywalker (pre-prime obviously). And that was when Luke knew she was a cyborg. So Malgus will be caught of guard by the attack,, but being a fully trained Sith Lord will allow him to quickly recover and finish her off.

(Luke's saving grace in that fight was Force speed by the way.)
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Beniboybling
01.04.2013 , 10:40 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
It should be important to note that Guri was able to tangle with Luke Skywalker (pre-prime obviously). And that was when Luke knew she was a cyborg. So Malgus will be caught of guard by the attack,, but being a fully trained Sith Lord will allow him to quickly recover and finish her off.

(Luke's saving grace in that fight was Force speed by the way.)
But I think he'll sense the attack coming in the first place, in fact he'll probably sense a disturbance in the Force when she sabotages the engines or power generators and what not. And then she has to battle her way to the bridge/throne room before Malgus can escape.

I think the plan needs to be turned on its head, and Guri will need insiders to pull it off. You've already proven Guri will have difficulty pretending to be an Imperial Officer. But an insider can perform the sabotage while Guri distracts Malgus... just a thought. But perhaps its a little early to be discussing endgame scenarios though. Debate on!

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Aurbere
01.04.2013 , 10:45 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
But I think he'll sense the attack coming in the first place, in fact he'll probably sense a disturbance in the Force when she sabotages the engines or power generators and what not. And then she has to battle her way to the bridge/throne room before Malgus can escape.

I think the plan needs to be turned on its head, and Guri will need insiders to pull it off. You've already proven Guri will have difficulty pretending to be an Imperial Officer. But an insider can perform the sabotage while Guri distracts Malgus... just a thought. But perhaps its a little early to be discussing endgame scenarios though. Debate on!
Good point on Guri. Of course these spies will need to be on the higher ups (like really high up) and Xizor will need to manufacture some air-tight clearance for Guri to get onboard.

Can Xizor bribe the guards aboard the station? I don't imagine those guys get out often.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus