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Khevar
01.09.2013 , 02:38 PM | #191
@ladwar, actually it's interesting that you mention Batlte of Ilum.

Most people tend to skip as much as possible, so few people get a lot of practice on Krel Thak, who can be quite challenging. I remember having a LOT of difficulty early on with this particular boss.

Here is some strategy advice for that encounter (assuming that is the one you had trouble with)

Krel does the following set of attacks several times throughout the fight:
a. Stun players
b. Summon Adds
c. Defense screen

When then defense screen is up, damage is reflected back to the players and it is a PAIN to heal through. At a guess, this is where the overgearing comes in. The additional armor, defense and healing power can help alot.

However, the Defense Screen cast can be interrupted. The problem is everyone is stunned during the cast so you have to use a stun breaker and immediately interrupt or you will miss it. The second problem is that he will do this whole cycle again before your stun breaker is off cooldown.

So one approach is to take turns doing the interrupt. Every class now has both a stun breaker and an interrupt. Executed properly this will VASTLY reduce the amount of damage Krel does to the party.

Darth Severin can also be tricky. There are two high-damage abilities he casts, Force Explosion and Dark Blast. They are cast frequently, and it is likely that the tank will not have enough interrupts off cooldown to catch all of them. If your group trades off you can interrupt all of his big damage casts, and this fight goes from "Holy C__p" to "Oh, that was Easy"

Cheers.

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01.09.2013 , 02:41 PM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
@ladwar, actually it's interesting that you mention Batlte of Ilum.

Most people tend to skip as much as possible, so few people get a lot of practice on Krel Thak, who can be quite challenging. I remember having a LOT of difficulty early on with this particular boss.

Here is some strategy advice for that encounter (assuming that is the one you had trouble with)

Krel does the following set of attacks several times throughout the fight:
a. Stun players
b. Summon Adds
c. Defense screen

When then defense screen is up, damage is reflected back to the players and it is a PAIN to heal through. At a guess, this is where the overgearing comes in. The additional armor, defense and healing power can help alot.

However, the Defense Screen cast can be interrupted. The problem is everyone is stunned during the cast so you have to use a stun breaker and immediately interrupt or you will miss it. The second problem is that he will do this whole cycle again before your stun breaker is off cooldown.

So one approach is to take turns doing the interrupt. Every class now has both a stun breaker and an interrupt. Executed properly this will VASTLY reduce the amount of damage Krel does to the party.

Darth Severin can also be tricky. There are two high-damage abilities he casts, Force Explosion and Dark Blast. They are cast frequently, and it is likely that the tank will not have enough interrupts off cooldown to catch all of them. If your group trades off you can interrupt all of his big damage casts, and this fight goes from "Holy C__p" to "Oh, that was Easy"

Cheers.
As a healer I've noticed Dark Blast isn't that bad if the tank uses a defensive CD if the interrupt gets missed. Now Force Explosion? Interrupt that 100% of the time please.
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01.09.2013 , 02:49 PM | #193
FFS, let this thread die!

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Kitru
01.09.2013 , 02:58 PM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
When then defense screen is up, damage is reflected back to the players and it is a PAIN to heal through. At a guess, this is where the overgearing comes in. The additional armor, defense and healing power can help alot.
Actually, it's only every other defense screen that does the damage reflect (it's a separate buff; called Proximity Explosives or something similar). Of course, it's not actually a damage reflect: it's a melee range PbAoE around the boss whenever he's hit by an attack. Back in "ye olden days" before everyone skipped him, Krel Thak was one of those bosses that was pretty much labeled impossible with melee DPS (his enrage timer was so tight that you were pretty much incapable of getting him down before he enraged and gibbed everyone unless you had rdps able to blow up the boss while he was exploding in melee), which is one of the reasons why the skip strategy became so prevalent.
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01.09.2013 , 03:13 PM | #195
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if u think tionese is up to par with HM FP, then u must think rakata is geared for NiM EC but im going to guess you have never ran an Operation before.
it's like you don't even remember launch when we were doing HM ev with partial correlia gear.
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01.09.2013 , 03:23 PM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
Actually, it's only every other defense screen that does the damage reflect (it's a separate buff; called Proximity Explosives or something similar). Of course, it's not actually a damage reflect: it's a melee range PbAoE around the boss whenever he's hit by an attack. Back in "ye olden days" before everyone skipped him, Krel Thak was one of those bosses that was pretty much labeled impossible with melee DPS (his enrage timer was so tight that you were pretty much incapable of getting him down before he enraged and gibbed everyone unless you had rdps able to blow up the boss while he was exploding in melee), which is one of the reasons why the skip strategy became so prevalent.
I bow to your wisdom on this.

Offhand, do you know if the defense screen just mitigates damage then? If so, I would guess that interrupting defense screen every time would help keep dps high on this during this fight.

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mikebevo
01.09.2013 , 04:02 PM | #197
I actually had to look up the fight to even know which one you were talking about. I now remember the fight very well, it is the fight that taught me to kill adds as a healer instead of waiting on dps to mow them down. Very good fight for a fresh 50 healer to learn on. Looks like I owe some guildmates an apology for cussing them under my breathe way back when. They must have already nerfed it by the time I got mdps to 50, because I remember it being a fairly easy fight.

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Kitru
01.09.2013 , 04:08 PM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
Offhand, do you know if the defense screen just mitigates damage then? If so, I would guess that interrupting defense screen every time would help keep dps high on this during this fight.
I believe that's all it does, though I'm not sure if it's a +def thing, a damredux thing, or purely an absorb shield. It also renders the boss immobile (since he's kneeling) iirc, which is pretty much necessary if you're going to deal with the adds while he's in retributive explosion mode.
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01.09.2013 , 05:59 PM | #199
Keeping on topic here...

There are comments going around about the quality of gear doesn't matter.

I have to strongly agree here because people get used to having more than they need.. So of course they have room to work with. It's their fault if its a big deal to repair it because they buy expensive gear, and lose money from having to repair said expensive gear.

If you have equips that give you more health and stats you need, there is no challenge.
So of course flashpoints are easy for you. But it's more fun with a challenge, and that rush you get when you realize someone is almost dead fighting a boss and you need to spam heal them. I like getting close calls like that.

So when these people aquire stronger mods, of course that becomes their definition of decent or normal. So when a person shows up with tionese mods, of course they will get ripped for what they have.

It's a type of bragging the player does to say they have more money and can get better things... That's not what the game is about.
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AshlaBoga
01.10.2013 , 05:50 AM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by justsillyotp View Post
it's like you don't even remember launch when we were doing HM ev with partial correlia gear.
I remember my first HM BT. Only 1 person in group had any TIonese gear. Took 45 minutes to clear the whole thing and we wiped 3 times. That being said, whoever thinks Tionese gear for a HM FP (aside from LI) is like having Columi in NiM EC... hasn't ever actually done anything in NiM EC. No one who's cleared anything in NiM EC would be ignorant of the error in their statement.
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