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Jarnuk
01.06.2013 , 01:12 PM | #141
Quote: Originally Posted by Zamppa View Post
I'm happy you like to play with him and enjoy your time. I know I would not and that's that. Although I have to say those stats about your runs, how many minutes this and that took made me laugh so hard! People boosting their ego and "reputation" on forums with how many minutes it takes to clear an instance, it was a total

I do have 4 50s and I sign in the one I feel like playing the day. If I want to slice people, I play my mara, or if I want to shoot lightning I play my sorc etc. I really can't understand people who want to do same dailies 5 times a day
I promise you that you did not laugh as hard as the rest of the community did at you admitting you report players for kickin you from GF I'd rather be known on the forums for being able to clear content quickly than having super thin skin and abusing GF also, we do dalies in more than one toon because we raid on more than one toon. Hence money and comms are needed. Here's a better number for you HM TfB: 1 hour 8 mins before Bioware broke it. That's not skipping. That's dps flat wrecking boss fights.
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DSpectre
01.06.2013 , 01:24 PM | #142
I said I wanted to mess with elitists purely on the occasion that they insult me. Whether its my play style or my stuff I'm using or something I accidentally did. I get enough of grief in my real life and I don't need more in a virtual world. If elitists are nice, I will be too. If they bad mouth people, I will do whatever I can to bring just them down. Not the group, just that one person.

I am not going to change that, I think whatever they do, they deserve right back to them.
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-IceHawk-
01.06.2013 , 02:17 PM | #143
What you seem to be missing is that the individuals you are referring to as "Elitists" are your average End Game players.

And by "bringing down the elitists" as you seem to think you are doing, you are in fact becoming a nuisance to the entire group

They are not the problem.

Your refusal to accept the decorum and standard procedures of End Game play and willingness to effectively "troll" and sabotage a group if they call you out on it demonstrate that selfishness, not elitism, is the problem here.

No one is going to change the way you play.

Instead they will vote kick you, ignore you, and never play with you again.

You can continue to assume that it is all their problem.

And they will continue to ignore you.

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DSpectre
01.06.2013 , 02:48 PM | #144
Quote: Originally Posted by -IceHawk- View Post
What you seem to be missing is that the individuals you are referring to as "Elitists" are your average End Game players.

And by "bringing down the elitists" as you seem to think you are doing, you are in fact becoming a nuisance to the entire group

They are not the problem.

Your refusal to accept the decorum and standard procedures of End Game play and willingness to effectively "troll" and sabotage a group if they call you out on it demonstrate that selfishness, not elitism, is the problem here.

No one is going to change the way you play.

Instead they will vote kick you, ignore you, and never play with you again.

You can continue to assume that it is all their problem.

And they will continue to ignore you.
Good! Less people I have to deal with then
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Zhaker
01.06.2013 , 03:24 PM | #145
OP, from the sounds of things:

- You participated in a Hard Mode FP.

- You didnt explain yourself you are new at this, or enjoy the cinematic (cause they would probably suggest you do Story Mode, and not do Hard Mode).

- When you pulled mobs "accidently" twice, you got kicked.

But yet you still played with them, if you didnt like playing with them leave. I don't get this. It's like you are forcing yourself to play with these people. If you dont like them leave them. Its not like you cant find another group with people that enjoy it.

Some people enjoy just getting the comms.

Some like enjoy the cinematics.

Some like completing everything including the bonuses (and bonus boss).

Some like to run this as fast as they can so they can do other stuff.

Some like to do HM FP instead of SM FP.

You should have explained it all up front at the start so they can work out whether to play with you or not.

Not sure if this was group finder too so I dont know.

When you annoy your team 3 times they were going to kick you. Next time dont group with them and leave. if you feel that you have constantly bad PuGs suggest you find a guild and group with them for FP.

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Namnotavailable
01.06.2013 , 03:31 PM | #146
I've only read the first page of this thread. But it seems to me from the answers you're getting that this is a common problem in many MMO's. I call them "Haloers", run, gun, immediate gratification and only care about their gameplay. The fact that a majority of your "endgamers" are this way makes sense. After all, only children or immature young adults living of their "mummy and daddy" still are the ones that have the time to dedicate to being a level 50 so quickly. They also seem to be the generation that displays these "Me-me-me" patterns not only in MMO's, but also IRL. So just tell them right up front, communicate, loot (who cares if it's junk is sells for creds), listen. Then if they are ok with that join their group. Other than that, f 'em.

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-IceHawk-
01.06.2013 , 03:57 PM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by Namnotavailable View Post
I've only read the first page of this thread. But it seems to me from the answers you're getting that this is a common problem in many MMO's. I call them "Haloers", run, gun, immediate gratification and only care about their gameplay. The fact that a majority of your "endgamers" are this way makes sense. After all, only children or immature young adults living of their "mummy and daddy" still are the ones that have the time to dedicate to being a level 50 so quickly. They also seem to be the generation that displays these "Me-me-me" patterns not only in MMO's, but also IRL. So just tell them right up front, communicate, loot (who cares if it's junk is sells for creds), listen. Then if they are ok with that join their group. Other than that, f 'em.
This game has only been out for a year, therefore one must assume anyone with a Level-50 character must by nature be a lifeless-basement dwelling child.

It is impossible that adults with limited play time could have made a Level 50, have limited time to play, and do not want to sit through the exact same dialog trees day after day after day.

Simply, impossible.

The problem is obviously with everyone else.

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Omophorus
01.06.2013 , 05:47 PM | #148
Quote: Originally Posted by Namnotavailable View Post
I've only read the first page of this thread. But it seems to me from the answers you're getting that this is a common problem in many MMO's. I call them "Haloers", run, gun, immediate gratification and only care about their gameplay. The fact that a majority of your "endgamers" are this way makes sense. After all, only children or immature young adults living of their "mummy and daddy" still are the ones that have the time to dedicate to being a level 50 so quickly. They also seem to be the generation that displays these "Me-me-me" patterns not only in MMO's, but also IRL. So just tell them right up front, communicate, loot (who cares if it's junk is sells for creds), listen. Then if they are ok with that join their group. Other than that, f 'em.
It is bordering on farcical how easy hitting 50 is in this game. A blind, developmentally challenged three-toed sloth with 5 hours total per week to play could easily have 2 50s, if not more.

Turns out, a solid percentage of the "endgamers" you're degrading are Type A personalities in game and in real life. They are largely sucessful individuals who know what they want and how to get it. They know how to manage their time and use it efficiently, and they don't waste time on the irrelevant. They care about cost-benefit ratios (most importantly the cost of time), and try to avoid wasteful activities (intrinsic value is a benefit, so not everyone brutally maths everything and avoids "fun", though fun is subjective to begin with).

There are no shortage of entitled, selfish children playing too, including in the endgame community, but don't make the mistake of thinking they form the majority.

It just turns out a lot of peoples' definition of "fun" is different than yours. It is their responsibility to respect (though not necessarily indulge if you are the minority) your idea of fun, just as it is yours to respect (though not necessarily indulge unless you are in the minority) theirs.
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Darth_Dreselus
01.06.2013 , 06:34 PM | #149
This is one of the best threads in a long time, it is not Sword in a Box but damn it's funny.
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Brimmer
01.06.2013 , 08:25 PM | #150
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nasja View Post
First of all flashpoints have been edited to remove some groups of mobs within the flashpoints, lowering the amount you have to fight. Second the scoundrel can knockout mobs (CC) without causing aggro. Come on they gave us the ability and tools to do so.

CC isn't an ability to use to skip npc's, it is there for example to aggro 1 npc in stead of 2.

Normal CC such as the force lift is what you describe. The smuggler's CC can be used before combat without any aggro. If they wanted us to have to fight every mob they wouldn't have given us the ability to CC trash mobs without aggro.

Smuggler & Imperial Agent are 1 out of 4 classes, it's not a given that one will be included in Group Finder, some see it as a bonus, others as a requirement because they can skippie.... You know my opinion, make a point Bioware.. either remove them completely or make them unable to be skipped.


Pure ignorance.

It's setup perfectly to allow both play styles.


I've been here since closed beta - I would of quit shortly after if I couldn't use the spacebar. I enjoy the clips, though not enough to watch them a 100 times. I'm all fine with rewatching them if somebody hasn't been through; though people shouldn't be forced to watch them. That would be a horrible design.

No because with the exception of Esseles / Black Talon there are just a few cutscenes inside FP's. They hardly matter.

You clearly don't have alts (or many at least) if you think that. Also this goes beyond flashpoints. This includes doing normal quests, which talking to the npc takes longer than the quest itself.

Lol, always talking about game experience right. Maybe I have a life besides this game and you don't
But yeah, I do have plenty of alts. Actually 8 toons on 1 server, most of the time I quit playing an alt after I reach 50 though. Anyways, no one has a problem with being able to skip text in normal quests, you solo them anyways but that isn't the case in fp's where youll find different people doing the same content.


Your statement about having many alts is invalid since you clearly state you quit playing them after 50, and you level solo. I also love the fact you try to taunt me with your remark about "maybe I have a life and you don't; heh I wasn't aware I had a subscription to WoW. Could of sworn I was on the swtor forums.

I'm sorry if you don't have friends or enjoy spending time with them, but leveling is as much as group content as any ops or flashpoint.

Freedom to play how you would enjoy is a bad game design? I see..... No, no I don't.

As we can see, in group content there are different people with different opinions. You get both verbal pvp in game and forum pvp here just because there are different ways to play the same flashpoint. One prefers this, the others prefer that and when you play the fp in a group finder queue you get the people who smacktalk other people just because of their preference. That is a bad game design.

If the devs removed all trash mobs from for example hard modes then there wouldn't be any need to skip because they simply aren't there.. see what I mean.

There are four of you, take a vote. Person that doesn't get their way can either go along or leave. It's a group finder, if you want to dictate other players' action form a group without the group finder. Using the group finder is a cooperative tool. Work together or get kicked - for most parts. Harsh but it's better than LFG. I personally never kick people, but that's the mentality of the system.

For the most part it works fine; I rarely ever find pugs with drama in them.

Somehow... there are plenty of these threads and there will be many more in the future about this subject. I say Bioware should simply dictate the playstyle in flashpoints, then people would all do the same because there is very little choice. Simplest solution. I sometimes found drama in fp's especially when someone has little time and wants to do quickly quickly mode and found a few people who scavenge every droid, pick up every bit of loot and never skip any npc, and also watch every line in a convo. There are people who watch the same movie every day. Is there anything wrong with that?
People would just find exploits to bypass these idiotic barriers you want them to place. If they weren't aware of ways to bypass this game would die. Nobody wants to fight trash mobs, the best instances in mmorpgs ever designed were instances such as the arena in lotro where you faught mainly only bosses, with almost no trash mobs included. THEY ARE TRASH MOBS, you're not going to die from fighting them, they just make it a longer flashpoint, and waste your time.

Clearly you don't respect the business term: "time is money".

As to your last remark about wanting to watch the cut-scenes. There isn't anything wrong with it, but you're doing Hard mode, not story mode. If you wanted to watch it then say so. If the full group except you is against it, be respectful and skip. After all they're here for comms since it's hard mode, not the story.

Like I said before I'm fine with rewatching if somebody wants to, but I don't want to watch them every time.
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