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Roycerson
01.09.2013 , 07:27 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Naoshiki View Post
As far as the fraud of pretending to be someone else; EA has nothing written down that protects its player base.
I have nothing written down that prevents me from stealing cars or helping others to do so but it's still illegal if I do.

Which is why I'm trying to change the conversation. This guy was to be ignored by EA right up until he posted on the BBS about his intentions, that's when ignoring him became a crime in itself because they know full well he is using their subscription for crime. He bragged about it.

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Naoshiki
01.10.2013 , 01:35 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Roycerson View Post
I have nothing written down that prevents me from stealing cars or helping others to do so but it's still illegal if I do.

Which is why I'm trying to change the conversation. This guy was to be ignored by EA right up until he posted on the BBS about his intentions, that's when ignoring him became a crime in itself because they know full well he is using their subscription for crime. He bragged about it.
There are laws stating that you cannot steal cars. You are taking something that is owned by one individual for self gain.

YOU DO NOT OWN WHAT IS IN YOUR GUILD BANK. ITS PROPERTY OF EA. IF SOME GUY TAKES STUFF OUT OF YOUR BANK AND MOVES IT TO THEIR CHARACTER. ITS STILL EA'S PROPERTY. THEY DIDN'T LOSE THE PROPERTY. UNFORTUNATELY NO LAWS ARE BROKEN.

You might want to petition EA about player and user rights.

If you agreed to the EUALA YOU DON'T OWN SQUAT IN THIS GAME. The only thing you have the right to is the client that allows you access. Everything else is INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY owned by EA.

Don't get me wrong, I am not sticking up for this guy. I personally think he is a douchebag. All we can seem to do now is protect ourselves and inform others.
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Roycerson
01.10.2013 , 03:11 AM | #33
You don't pay much attention do you? this conversation passed the idea of stabs being stolen property a long time ago. I was gong to clarify further but... Did you even read the post you quoted? A person needn't steal something to commit fraud. A person needn't help a person steal something to commit fraud. This has nothing at all to do with anything being stolen. and even if you refute what I didn't say in big red letters I still didn't say it.

I am 100% sure that this person has committed fraud as defined by law. I am 50% sure that bragged about it on this forum and the mods deleted that post (he told me he did. I don't entirely trust him). And I am 99% sure that no legal action will ever come of it.

The fact remains it IS a felony and continuing to facilitate his actions knowing what his intentions are is also a felony. (that's a period at the end of that sentence)

I'm having a hard time understanding why you posted anything at all. Why are you talking about theft as if that was my position? I'm talking about fraud. Fraud is not theft. Fraud is unrelated to theft the same way murder is unrelated to theft and also painting toenails = unrelated.


You could also toss the fraud argument and just go with impersonating.

Quote: Originally Posted by internet
We've already noted how California law makes it a crime to "personate" someone by pretending to be them, but with the new year, apparently such laws have been strengthened even more in California, with potential fines and jail time
If for no other reason than this, his actions are criminal. There is no suspension of law in game. It's illegal to do on twitter, it's illegal to do over the phone, it's illegal to in writing and with no additional laws required, it's illegal to do in a chat window. AND it's always illegal to facilitate someone who admits to you up front he intends to use your assistance for the purpose of illegal activity.

Quote: Originally Posted by here's some more
"knowingly and without consent credibly impersonates another actual person through or on an Internet Web site or by other electronic means for purposes of harming, intimidating, threatening, or defrauding another person"
this last bit of law is California state law (they have one for every state I assure you) and the person he was impersonating to me is from San Diego. W/ most of the population being on both coasts and considering the time of day he was on there is a considerable chance that both the impersonator and the impersonatee both live in California which would make the above text the exact law he's breaking (among others).

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Naoshiki
01.10.2013 , 04:08 AM | #34
It's not really a fraud. He gained something that wasn't yours; its not even his. Yes he lied to you. But the Supreme Court determined that lying and fraud are two seperate things.

I gave you a partial summed up definition of fraud. Look up the full legal definition as according to the US code. There really needs to some gain.

I'm not even sure why we are arguing this, let EA figure out if any laws are broken. I'm sure they have an excellent legal team that is getting paid quite well.
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Roycerson
01.10.2013 , 07:01 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Naoshiki View Post
It's not really a fraud. He gained something that wasn't yours; its not even his. Yes he lied to you. But the Supreme Court determined that lying and fraud are two seperate things.

I gave you a partial summed up definition of fraud. Look up the full legal definition as according to the US code. There really needs to some gain.

I'm not even sure why we are arguing this, let EA figure out if any laws are broken. I'm sure they have an excellent legal team that is getting paid quite well.
Someone else posted a legal definition of fraud which included the words "legal injury" I then posted a legal definition of the term "legal injury". It's already there on the thread. I'm not going to post it again. I will ask the question for a second time. Are you telling me the guy who gave away his entire guild bank didn't suffer damage to his reputation and/or dignity?

you also ignored completely the California state law that prohibits impersonating people on electronic media. You just pretended like that didn't exist? Why don't you read the thread and join the conversation?

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Roycerson
01.10.2013 , 07:06 AM | #36
Someone else posted a legal definition of fraud which included the words "legal injury" I then posted a legal definition of the term "legal injury". It's already there on the thread. I'm not going to post it again. I will ask the question for a second time. Are you telling me the guy who gave away his entire guild bank didn't suffer damage to his reputation and/or dignity?

you also ignored completely the California state law that prohibits impersonating people on electronic media. You just pretended like that didn't exist? Why don't you read the thread and join the conversation?

I am quite certain the legal team knows laws are being broken. I don't know if the guy actually posted here and said what he told me which would make BIG difference to bioware's legal culpability. But... why would I let them figure out if it's illegal? I'm a smart guy. I can do my own thinking AND I was actually there in guild chat and the vent channel. I know exactly what he said and who he claimed to be and who he claimed to be when he was busted about his first claim. I know all that and Bioware doesn't. So why would I have them tell me what it means? Who are you? Why do you hate facts?

You never even asked me exactly what happened, what he said. You never even asked, yet you already know it's not a crime. How could you possibly? You clearly came here with a conclusion already and aren't bothering to intake new information.

I know exactly what he said and who he claimed to be and who he claimed to be when he was busted about his first claim. I know all that and Bioware doesn't. So why would I have them tell me what it means? Who are you? Why do you hate facts?


regardless of what bioware decides is the law. They can be very certain it will not be enforced the same way I can tell you I am smoking a big joint right now and have a 1/4 lb in my desk w/o any fear whatsoever that cops will kick in my door. So why would they do anything at all? If he did post those things here they would have to ban him so as not to be complicit and perhaps turn his information over to authorities. and let me make thie EXTREMELY CLEAR, they would do that not for stealing stabs but for impersonating someone else and committing fraud.. If he didn't than they have nothing and can do nothing. Doesn't change the facts of the situation. It IS Fraud. It IS illegal. Anything who says otherwise doesn't know what's going on or is not qualified to tie their shoes. OR... is a shill. Are you a shill?

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Naoshiki
01.10.2013 , 07:26 AM | #37
Oh by the way he isn't commiting felony fraud, it's actually misdemeanor fraud.

Since he impersonated someone in vent; EA can't do anything about that.

Since you know so much why don't you take the guy to court.

IP will get you who is paying for the service. Cross reference that to a SWTOR account will get you the person playing. Call the cops on him! Yay all solved.

And double posts are bad etiquette.
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01.10.2013 , 08:01 AM | #38
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Oh by the way he isn't commiting felony fraud, it's actually misdemeanor fraud.
You said it wasn't fraud at all. You still haven't asked exactly what he did.

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Since he impersonated someone in vent; EA can't do anything about that.
I said that. I also said he also did it in swtor chat. Just gonna pretend you didn't read that part? pretend that this is YOU informing ME of that?

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Since you know so much why don't you take the guy to court.
He neither impersonated nor defrauded me. Is that not completely clear?

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IP will get you who is paying for the service. Cross reference that to a SWTOR account will get you the person playing.
No it won't. It'll get you and ISP. then it's contacting his provider etc. Not something that can be done by anyone other than law enforcement. except hackers, employees, some others no doubt. All those people are not me.

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Call the cops on him! Yay all solved.
I *********** hate cops. They will kick in your door, shoot your dog, take your kids and throw you in a cage for playing poker. To do that you have to be as morally bankrupt as this scammer ******e. Mebbe more. Also, they'd laugh at me. They don't care about this ****. It doesn't make them money. AND, I don't necessarily want this guy's mother shot by a incompetent *********** pig. Never call the cops if you don't want someone shot and killed by and incompetent pig.

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And double posts are bad etiquette.
apologies. Worse etiquette than cutting it all up and fixing it while you're replying to a post that no longer exists as it did when you hit reply? I made a mistake and thought it better to NOT fix it.

None of this changes the fact that every single word I have said in this thread is 100% accurate to the best of my ability. (exceot the part of the impersonatee being from California... maybe ... so far I haven't broken anyone's anonymity and will try to keep it that way)

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01.10.2013 , 08:20 AM | #39
If anything this guy is harassing players on Po5 by doing this little scam - and I would hope Bioware would do something about it. Honestly, what a little d-bag? I have noticed threads have been deleted - there was one posted in the general section, i went to reply to it a few days ago and it was suddenly non-existent.
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01.10.2013 , 08:57 AM | #40
Not EAs fault your guild is irresponsible. Why would you promote anyone on a whim?
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