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One reason there is a tank shortage in group finder

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One reason there is a tank shortage in group finder

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RikHar
12.27.2012 , 05:22 PM | #51
I began as a BH tank and abuse wasn't my issue for switching over to dps. It was the many knuckleheads who just wouldn't listen to advice of not where to stand or of not what to do. You ask everyone if they've done the quest and if some haven't you explain to them as you go along. But still....

Quick example:

On the Battle of Ilum run, once you get off the speeders and after bypassing the first enemy group, you'd tell the group not to go on the snow and to stay close to the rails while on their speeders. So what happens? One or two of the group decide to wander off into the snow and wind up being 1 shot killed.

Stuff like this happens all the time and being a tank (and usually the group leader) it takes a lots of patience to do this. Some players liike myself have run out of patience, hence the switch.

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Viikuna
12.27.2012 , 05:22 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalfear View Post
I landed a level down with 1k health (the endurance made the difference)
I'm not 100% sure of the game mechanics in SWTOR when it comes to falling. But in many games falling damage is percentage based. For example fall X distance and get damaged for 50% of your health.

Now if that is the case with SWTOR too, your endurance did not help as much as you think it did.

(or i might have misunderstood and you were not talking about falling / falling damage)

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RikHar
12.27.2012 , 05:26 PM | #53
The best groups for HM FP's are the groups who don't have to say anything and everyone knows what they're suppose to do and do it.

FP goes fast and smooth and everyone is happy.

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BobaTed
12.27.2012 , 05:29 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Cupelixx View Post
Actually, Revivification is the top healing talent in the Corruption tree, so there's no way he was specced for more DPS instead of healing. As for the bug with people getting queued for the wrong roles, I actually haven't seen that one yet.
Oops, yep, you're absolutely right. My bad. For some reason I keep reading those things upside-down.

The queue bug, however, used to get me often enough to be annoying.

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Rivenwind
12.27.2012 , 05:35 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
Isn't it always the healers fault?

*ducks* ...

No seriously ... Tanks and or Healers should be the group leaders since they both have certain perspectives on "battle field awareness". NEVER DPS (and I am primarily a DPS player).

Yeah. I run sniper for the most part. Can't imagine a group needing me to lead it. Would be a pure disaster, as I find my target and kill it, only looking for another juicy target. Usually don't have much overall awareness.

Can only imagine its worse for a marauder/sent.

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Dampylle
12.27.2012 , 05:40 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
Isn't it always the healers fault?

*ducks* ...

No seriously ... Tanks and or Healers should be the group leaders since they both have certain perspectives on "battle field awareness". NEVER DPS (and I am primarily a DPS player).

If only it were that simple... then again that also assumes that when we tanks (or those medics) explain something that people actually listen.

Sadly, that not happening occurs more often than you might think.

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jedimasterjac
12.27.2012 , 05:41 PM | #57
It's not a tank shortage; rather, a shortage of good tanks.
Quote: Originally Posted by Grand Master Yoda
We are what they grow beyond. That is the burden of all masters.

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amnie
12.27.2012 , 05:56 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
To be fair, having done a lot of healing over the years, healers take this same kind of abuse. I've healed my butt off trying to keep up stupid dps that stand in stuff and pull off tanks only to be insulted and booted. A guildy of mine who heals our HM EC/TFB Operations got booted out of a Group finder SM Karraga's Palace and called "the worst healer ever" because he couldn't heal stupid.

Tanks probably do have it worse though because the group generally looks to them to know what to do and lead the group around.

Anyway, there are some kinds of people that just want to pick someone to blame for failure - usually the one at fault is the one dishing it out.
same thing happened to me when I did a HM LI run (in my campaign gear at that time)

the tank was in recruit gear, dead set on 'having done this many times' (totally explains why he was in recruit gear... +cough+) and I was just a bad healer... uh hu.



that being said, I've seen plenty of 'mess-ups', from all roles...

I've also seen people queue as dps when they were heal-specced and then freaking out on me for healing, just to leave the group when one of the dps points out that it was obviously them - not me - who did it wrong, since I am the one currently wearing the 'healer' symbol. thehe.

or a few days ago... my lvl 41 guardian, dps - and queued as dps - getting told to 'tank' colicoid. fine, we had two more guardians who were both higher level, but sure, I tank.. result? the killing took forever, which was funny considering one of the guardians was lvl 48 (!)... apparently said guardian was wearing tank gear and actually tank-skilled, he was just under the impression he was dps since the lvl 45 ( or 44, not that it matters) guardian that was queued as tank (he was dps) and he was in dps stance.... *headdesk*

and don't even let me get started on the sheer endless number of DPS who apparently have never played any of the 'old school' MMOs and aren't aware of the good old 'aggro' rule to either kill the 'easy' targets first - or attack the same target as the tank. nooo, attacking the second (or third) elite is a much smarter idea....
I can't even say when that annoys me more.. when I'm on my tank, dying because the healer has to waste too much energy on derpy dps - or when I'm on my healer when I have to decide between only keeping the tank alive (which is tempting as I kinda like the idea of letting people die when they're being stupid) or trying to keep at least one dps alive since you kinda need dps to kill a boss, too...


tl:dr
it's not the role that will tell you if a player is good or bad, it's just a lot easier for a dps to blame someone else for failing since if all else fails there's usually at least one other dps who could have messed up instead of you. as a healer I usually see who messes up, but as a tank I rarely notice what exactly dps or healer are actually doing... I only notice if see green numbers above my head or not :P

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Quantum
12.27.2012 , 05:59 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Cupelixx View Post
Spoiler
This is largely why I rarely PUG with my Tank and when I do, it's with 2 Guildmates, one of which has to be the healer. I'm less picky when PUGing my DPS Sage, mainly because DPS is simple.

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onemoreround
12.27.2012 , 06:12 PM | #60
There are idiots in every role, started a flashpoint few days ago with my geared merc healer & the tank quit before we had even started (nothing unusal). No prob we queued for a replacement & started to work our way through the first 4 or 5 trash groups in FE. New tank appears & first comment is 'So you don't need a tank then?' I immediately thought here we go another player with an attitude problem. We carried on killing the trash mobs whilst we waited for him to catch up & the next comment was 'You clearly don't need a tank' & he quit. We definitely didn't need a tank to get to the point we had but it seems some tanks have inflated their ego a little too far! We all need each other at the end of the day & the ease with which tanks can find a group unfortunately has affected a small minority in a bad way. I've never quit a group or kicked anyone from a group but have been kicked from Kaon as someone mentioned earlier in this thread. It was another case of idiots allowing merc's to stun the healer multiple times & then wondering why they recieve no healing. Nevermind....