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1 Year and not much content? Should be B2P...

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Hadyn
12.26.2012 , 09:30 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by calhounhusker View Post
Ive been subscribing since I got access to the game early as a pre-order.

I still haven't finished end game. Two mid level 40s and a level 34 inquisitor. Most people have social lives and other business to attend too. We dont power level, we take it easy and play a few hours a week if we can.

These people that rush through everything are insane and should find some other hobbies. There is a **** ton of content I haven't even sniffed yet.

Side Note.....I've never PVP'd...nor care to involve myself in it at all.
I'm pretty much with you, only I primarily PvP and rarely if ever to FP's or Ops. I still haven't scratched the surface of all there is to do and I play a decent amount. There's always some neckbeard in momma's basement who is going to complete all $10 worth of content within 48 hours and then complain they didn't get anything cool for their money.

By comparison they probably dropped $50 on the original TOR and finished it in 48 hours as well.

Short of an entirely new MMO that can be purchased with in game credits, you can't please everyone. I'm no EA apologist, but I've been happy with the content updates we've had at a rapid pace lately...black hole, section x, hard mode space, HK - it's been good stuff.
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Danbuterx
12.26.2012 , 09:51 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Nemmar View Post
Yeah... get back to us in another year. There were special circunstances delaying development this year.
Yeah, they fired most of their dev team.

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Danbuterx
12.26.2012 , 09:53 PM | #63
You should list everything that was broken in every patch as well as the new additions. Most of the broken stuff is still not fixed, either.

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Kazaganthis
12.27.2012 , 12:25 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by DaRoamer View Post
This is completely false, I take it you don't raid. You want to see lack of content updates? Before WoW released MoP they went a YEAR without ANY content updates. A year. I quit AoC because so little content was released. When they finally did release something we had to pay for it.

There has been a lot of content released this year. I play daily and 90% of the time I'm on the same level 50 and I always have something to do. Sorry it's not the same for you.
All im going to do is get "flamed for being an elitist" but I was in the Harbingers server first 16 man for KP, EV NiM. Also downed TfB HM in the first week and got 3/4 NiM EC before my guild fell apart like so many others and the videos are on youtube. Sorry you like running the daily area zone but most people hate dailies. Stop trying to make it sound like they released a ton of content. Its all **** weve been doing for months and months now. We went 7 months with no update and when we did get an update it was one raid beaten in under a week and a daily area. I dont care what any other game does but at least WoW daily areas have some kind of rewards to make you keep doing them whether they are mounts, pets, etc whatever. I really do like how people justify lack on content by saying "but this game did it too!"

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Kazaganthis
12.27.2012 , 12:31 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
You haven't done any of the NiM EC fights have you? The only one your statement is relevant for is Nightmare Zorn & Toth.
Dont make it sound like pushing DD because the timer is shorter for the second and being unable to interupt Overload and having to go up the left or right side are some kind of game changing mechanics or even really change the fight. Its the same thing.

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GalacticKegger
12.27.2012 , 01:02 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Thaed View Post
Essentially, we've got some new FPs, Raids and Warzones. Which is nice, for the people that like those things. (Actually, I do enjoy WZs, though the same old iteration of 8v8 is getting tiresome).

So what about all the things that we don't have?

*No multiplayer minigames. Where's pazaak and swoop racing? They'd even work well with the cartel market; custom skins for your pazaak deck and swoop bike, without pissing people off by creating shortcuts and pay2win.

*Still no chat bubbles. Still no seating. They're small things, I know, but Bioware have said that they're coming for months on end now.

*Still no SGRAs. Again, we've been told they were coming this year, followed by... Silence.

*Still nothing on the 'super secret space project'. Again, we were told more information before the end of the year. I don't think Bioware will be obliging us in the next few days.

*Still no grey alignment gear, which they've said they;d be coming out with from near the game's release.

And that's just the things that Bioware have said that are in the works (maybe not minigames, can't remember what they've said about that). I'm not even touching on the various problems with the game that Bioware haven't addressed (Shall I mention Ilum?)

Yes, we've gotten new content. But can you honestly say that this content is up to the standard of other MMOs in the same time frame?
As others have pointed out, besides maybe Rift (and that's not exactly a massive world by comparison) TOR has released more content this year than pretty much any other established AAA did. And your post quoted my short list. Up to the standard of other MMOs? That's pure subjectivity, not case law. What's been released works well and fits in with the game.

MMO perfection is a pipe dream. It's as much fantasy as the games themselves, and anyone griping about it will be doing so until they've cried themselves to sleep. I personally would never expect any one game to possess my wish list of features from every other game that not only preceeded it but would follow it - working or not. That's simply ludicrous if not narcissistic.

Bioware (it appears) has exchanged Ilum for open PvP and heroic zones on other planets. In essence, they changed that course in favor of something with greater variety and less bugs. But that's cool. What Bioware has addressed through all of this however were the releases of a fully customizable UI (after 9 years "industry standard" WoW doesn't even have one), RWZs, Legacy, Group Finder and the Cartel store to name a few things. Too bad the big bang theory can't be applied to code development.

Pointing out every deficiency a game possesses like some myopic smear campaign podcast stuck in a replay loop is such a waste of energy. We've heard it since launch and we'll still be hearing it 5 years from now. Again, because perfection in an MMO is not achievable. I pity the folks holding out for it, kicking & screaming or not.

Though I too would very much like to see Paazak in the cantinas, PvP swoop/speeder racing and flight sim starship piloting & combat.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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Devlonir
12.27.2012 , 02:12 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by AdamChattaway View Post
did you miss 90% of the servers on low pop? did you see the servers that literally im not shi you had 3 people on fleet at prime time with no server transfers? did you seriously miss that?
Did you miss that he replied to someone saying lack of endgame was the reason the game 'died'? And his answer was that there were 2 new ops in 4 content patches in the first 6 months of TOR. So, technically, that can't be the reason TOR died when comparing it to SWTOR.

Did you seriously miss that? Because that was the post you were quoting.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kazaganthis View Post
Just so you know dailies and a world boss arent "content" and neither is a NiM mode OP where all they did was buff life and damage and make you use a med pac but sure try to pad that list. KP and KUS were going to be in the game and almost done but EA pushed up the release date for christmas so dont act like they got that finished real quick for us. This game severely lacked any updates we went 6 months from 1.2 to 1.4. Now redo your list. Most people finished endgame here in less than 2 months hence why so many left and the biggest complaint has BEEN that theres NOTHING to do at 50.
Thank you so much for your unbiased and totally factual view of what content is and what should have been in at launch and whatnot.
Really, this post just reeks completely of being an uninformed hater. I'll tell you what was supposed to be in at launch at 20th of December 2011: What was finished and ready to ship at that time. So basicly.. your point that it wasn't ready because launch was 20th of December and not later is really a very empty one. If it's not ready to launch, it's not ready to launch. So how was it supposed to be in there?

And your point of people finishing endgame in less than 2 months is indeed true. You know what? Most serious raiders finished WoW endgame of all their latest expansions in less than 2-4 weeks. So what you are pointing out is either and industry issue, or a player issue. Maybe current endgame is no longer designed for the 'world first' crew that just hunt to be as quick as possible and is more catered to the 'serious casual' as I like to put them. People with little time to invest, but a serious commitment to do the best they can with the limited time they have.
But oh yes.. Raiding Elitezors hate those people because they make them look bad. Because, ya know, they make their 'efforts' seem less special because the 'serious casual' prooves that with less time investment you can get the same results, even if a bit later.
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nartiuslightlord
12.27.2012 , 03:02 AM | #68
I love the game, i really do think we are at a critical point for the games future. I think it's going to be hard to erase the past. but me personally, I have let that go to look ahead. But being as I'm older and have been down this road many times, I'm still a bit jaded about this games future. it's all based on can they start delivering or are they happy on coasting it out.

Is this team capable enough and large enough to tackle some of the big issues with the game? or are we just coasting on fumes until they have to make a call as to the fact, should they shut this puppie down and take a loss? or are they prepared to start addressing these issues and get to work on them.

I will fully support them with my subscription, but they need to start working on optimizing this engine and working out the very long list of immersion breaking bugs first, forget cartel shop, it's not the most primary thing at this point that needs more adding to.

If the various broken features and bugs continue without any fixes the servers will start to become unstable very fast. it will grow and at some point you'll have multiple systems/sub-systems breaking down. it's like treating someone for cancer, and then sending home after one treatment, and telling them it will fix it self over time.

My fear is this team has one engineer who is familiar with those systems and the rest are people who once were allowed to watch the art team make a posed character during the tour, but now they're working on main content and just seen Star Wars A New Hope for the first time last year.

But all that aside, I will keep my fingers crossed and stay as positive as I can about the game.
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Kazaganthis
12.27.2012 , 04:48 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Devlonir View Post
Did you miss that he replied to someone saying lack of endgame was the reason the game 'died'? And his answer was that there were 2 new ops in 4 content patches in the first 6 months of TOR. So, technically, that can't be the reason TOR died when comparing it to SWTOR.

Did you seriously miss that? Because that was the post you were quoting.



Thank you so much for your unbiased and totally factual view of what content is and what should have been in at launch and whatnot.
Really, this post just reeks completely of being an uninformed hater. I'll tell you what was supposed to be in at launch at 20th of December 2011: What was finished and ready to ship at that time. So basicly.. your point that it wasn't ready because launch was 20th of December and not later is really a very empty one. If it's not ready to launch, it's not ready to launch. So how was it supposed to be in there?

And your point of people finishing endgame in less than 2 months is indeed true. You know what? Most serious raiders finished WoW endgame of all their latest expansions in less than 2-4 weeks. So what you are pointing out is either and industry issue, or a player issue. Maybe current endgame is no longer designed for the 'world first' crew that just hunt to be as quick as possible and is more catered to the 'serious casual' as I like to put them. People with little time to invest, but a serious commitment to do the best they can with the limited time they have.
But oh yes.. Raiding Elitezors hate those people because they make them look bad. Because, ya know, they make their 'efforts' seem less special because the 'serious casual' prooves that with less time investment you can get the same results, even if a bit later.
Its really cute how you cant deal with the truth so you get mad and rant. Its ok Ill explain it so even you can understand it. EA pushed the release back and kept doing so until they hit right before Christmas and they werent willing to miss the holiday money. Its sad you couldnt even understand that OR that you didnt even check that fact before posting. Second you think they finished KP and KUS a month into the game? With all the bugs they were trying to fix, the horrible month and a half CS waits, the server queues and opening new servers...you really think they got that done and yet we went HALF A YEAR with no new content? It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where everything is perfect. I also like how you brought up your special snowflake argument that no one mentioned. Projecting much? Or maybe you are just a "casual" as you put it because you arent good enough? No one will take you along? Regardless the fact that some hardcore guilds in WoW beat the new raid (They had 4 and they were on timers so yea no one beat them all in 2-4 weeks as some werent even unlocked but good try) not near everyone had. In the first 2 weeks an australian guild whos name I cant remember beat NiM EV. Those are extraordinary examples. It doesnt change that endgame is WAY too easy in here. Even casuals walk through the HMs. Anyway next time you reply try with someone that actually responds to what I say not your own insecurities and a little less "Nu uh! I dont like what you say cause you obviously hate the game" Waaaaaaah!" Damn fanbois cant even come up with arguments to defend BW anymore you just cry now.

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Devlonir
12.27.2012 , 06:13 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Kazaganthis View Post
Its really cute how you cant deal with the truth so you get mad and rant. Its ok Ill explain it so even you can understand it. EA pushed the release back and kept doing so until they hit right before Christmas and they werent willing to miss the holiday money. Its sad you couldnt even understand that OR that you didnt even check that fact before posting. Second you think they finished KP and KUS a month into the game? With all the bugs they were trying to fix, the horrible month and a half CS waits, the server queues and opening new servers...you really think they got that done and yet we went HALF A YEAR with no new content? It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where everything is perfect. I also like how you brought up your special snowflake argument that no one mentioned. Projecting much? Or maybe you are just a "casual" as you put it because you arent good enough? No one will take you along? Regardless the fact that some hardcore guilds in WoW beat the new raid (They had 4 and they were on timers so yea no one beat them all in 2-4 weeks as some werent even unlocked but good try) not near everyone had. In the first 2 weeks an australian guild whos name I cant remember beat NiM EV. Those are extraordinary examples. It doesnt change that endgame is WAY too easy in here. Even casuals walk through the HMs. Anyway next time you reply try with someone that actually responds to what I say not your own insecurities and a little less "Nu uh! I dont like what you say cause you obviously hate the game" Waaaaaaah!" Damn fanbois cant even come up with arguments to defend BW anymore you just cry now.
Wow.. what a huge rant.. I must've hit a nerve when I mention that 'elitezors raiders' have nothing to feel special about. And you call me projecting?

About your first part: Different teams are responsible for bug fixing than are responsible for new content. Most probable: The Ops additions to the game in the first weeks/months were indeed Out of Development by the launch in December. But they were now in Testing/Stabilization phase. With testers putting a lot more effort into it than developers. Usually, testing takes as much time as actual development. But yeah, you need to have actual knowledge of development cycles to know these kinds of things, not of DPS rotations.

Also funny how you bring WoW 'gating' in here as a good thing, but then say the one 'gating' TOR did with the last bit of KP coming later after launch was 'because it should have been in at launch'. Double standards much?

Also, you seem to not understand the point I initially made: Whatever was done at the eventual release date is what was 'meant to be in Release'. Whatever else was planned and not reached that deadline is, by definition, not meant to be in Release because of the simple fact that it is not ready.
Or wait, you are in the camp that feels there is proof that everything was ready to go at launch and just held back just because there were references to these things in earlier file versions and/or beta? How cute.. I refer back to my earlier comment concerning development cycles.
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