We have more players than GW2?

First of all, as soon as you say the word "fan boy" in a post, you already aren't going to be taken seriously by reasonable people. Calling someone a "fanboy" just because they disagree with you damages your argument, not theirs.

I won't argue with you about Ilum, there seems to be plenty of documentation about the fact that the optimization of the area was rather poor, making the area unplayable for many, MANY players--far more than is acceptable. However, massive, open-world PvP is much more taxing on a PC than a lot of people on fleet. The post you are responding to specified the game as it currently stands, including fleet. Ilum was not mentioned, nor did anyone say that if Ilum didn't work for you then the problem was on your end.

However, a dissatisfied customer is far more likely to comment than a satisfied one. From personal experience, I can say that on a fairly out of date but well-maintained PC I get very solid performance playing SWTOR. Not flawless, and not on ultra-high settings. But very solid on medium-high settings. So I know that you don't HAVE to have a top-of-the-line machine to get solid and enjoyable gameplay. I also know from experience that most people's computers are performing far, far more poorly than they should because they don't maintain them properly.

Sure, there are anecdotal stories from many that they can play game x, game y, or game z without any issues whatsoever. But those are no more reliable statistically than are my own personal experience and the anecdotal experience of the many, many players that experience no significant performance issues.

Again, I'll grant you the argument on Ilum. Clearly something was wrong there, hence the absence of open-world PvP for so long. I believe I have read that they plan to re-introduce it soon (I could be wrong on that, I don't have a citation!) and if so I'll be interested to see the result. But I personally do not buy the argument that the game is unplayable and only very high-end systems can handle it.

Its hilarious, how obsessed you SWTOR fans are with comparing this..."MMO"...with GW2 or any other true massively multiplayer games on the market. Stick to worrying about this games fate, and stop worrying about other games, which, are doing quite well despite SWTOR existence.

Or perhaps, because of it?

SWTOR players downplaying GW2's PVE, claiming it to be shallow and boring...oh the irony.

And yet, how many of you will readily call someone a "Hater" simply because they disagree with your PoV? Basically, because they'd dare point out one, of many flaws, actual flaws, in this game. It cuts both ways on these forums, dont be purposely naive.

a. you're right it wasn't the game for me. I was hoping for something more like GW1 but in a real MMO form. I did not get that. Instead i got Warhammer 2.0 another door attacking simulator.

b. I kept it safe on my end. The problem was THEY got hacked and didn't tell everyone right away

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/in...-hacked-985019

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/m...cked-20120910/

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-Security-ever

even the guys at Penny Arcade got hacked

http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/09/26

http://penny-arcade.com/2012/09/26

Yeah guess it was just me and poor security. The fact that you could change the password of an account with out verification is a HUGE security problem.

But i'm not mad. I moved on from the game. I don't spend my time on the forum of a game I don't like bashing it. Why waste my time with something I don't enjoy.

how many people do you think are in zones in World of Warcraft?

+1 to you for an awesome point. MMO players are weird, they get so vitriolic and angry about games. The game they are currently playing is awesome and anyone that likes MMO X or MMO Y is stupid and doesn't know that it sucks or that there's something better or blah blah blah. Then there's the players that play a game, dislike it, and decide they must spew venom as often and as loudly as possible not only the game but on anyone that genuinely enjoys it.

I've played a decent number of different MMOs. Certainly not a whole bunch, but a few. Some I really enjoyed, some I really didn't. But in each one I could usually at least see why someone might like that game. Even if I didn't like it much myself, it didn't make the game bad. It just made it bad for me. For example, GW2. I've never played it. But from everything I've read, it seems to be very PvP centered, especially at end-game. That's great! It's just not great for me: I don't enjoy PvP (in no small part because I am terrible at it).

I'm not opposed to people that want to criticize a game because they like it and want to see it improve, I'm just opposed to people that are so rabidly opposed to games that it becomes utterly unreasonable.

we are not talking about Ilum are we? I thought we were talking about people saying this game is unplayable with 20 people on fleet. I'm sure there are thousands of people who get lag in this game. Probably even more. The truth is a very small percentage of people have good computers. This is one of the reasons League of Legends is so huge and WoW. Because you can play both of those games with a really crappy computer.

I never once said the Hero engine was fine. Please don't try to make a straw man argument because you know you lost this one.

I refuse to grant the premise of your argument, which again takes the very silly tone of "Well my opinions are facts, this is an "MMO" and comparing it's PvE unfavorably with that of GW2 is ironic". Here's the thing: I haven't played GW2. But I know this much: different types of games are enjoyed by different people for different reasons. You call this game an "MMO" sarcastically, and clearly aren't a fan of SWTOR. Which is fine, there are lots of games that I don't like. But the fact that you don't like SWTOR, the fact that you don't think it's a true MMO, and the fact that you seem to think GW2's PvE is superior is NOT a fact. It's an opinion.

The above post makes no good points--it simply states opinion as fact.

Was going to say not that many so I loged in and had a look. The staring areas has around 80 people playing at the same time. Elwyn forest has so many players the list is capped so I guess there is a couple of hundred people. But mostly high levels dueling. And WoW has LOTS of starting areas unlike SWTOR that has 4.

post of the year.

to add to this i never understood why people want other games to fail. Dont people realize that competition ALWAYS benefits the customer.