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Why can Sins combat stealth then use out of combat healing infront of you?

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Why can Sins combat stealth then use out of combat healing infront of you?

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Xinika
12.27.2012 , 02:24 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by Abkhazia View Post
Umm illogical? You must love invisible people sapping you no matter how unskilled they are while laughing and then running away when its dr'd out and there is nothing I can do about it. Fun fun.
See: Stealth Classes

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At least in wow there was some skill in setting up saps out of a cc chain but without that sap is just dumb and you are in denial or some low rated player who doesn't know what hes talking about.
Ok, I'm a multi-glad warrior from WoW. I'm wondering how you're drawing such a lofty comparisons when in reality, the same thing applies here - as in, if a group combat situation is engaged, the assassin can't just leave combat and sap a target amongst the group combat crowd.

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12.27.2012 , 02:30 PM | #102
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Except that in order to self heal or cap the stealthy must exit stealth thereby making your entire point about spam able mezz useless
Jesus these are the weakest arguments I've ever seen
And no, it doesn't matter that a sorc has to use force to self heal when he gets 500 force. And I've never heard of a merc filling his heat in a duel. The mechanics are exactly the same and in fact favor merc/sorc since they can heal on simple stuff like range or LOS whereas we get to do it once and only once and a breaker ruins that plan
On top of that our resources regen fast enough to be full after we seethe even if seething costed force. Your arguments are honestly so retarded its funny

But hey, feel free to continue ignoring reality and common sense and just QQ til your brain turns to jelly
please tell me you don't actually play a sin/shadow. let me dumb it down for you. 1 man guarding pylon. stealthy mezzes him and immediately begins to cap. mezz'd person has to use breaker cuz mezz time is 2s longer than it takes to cap a pylon. stealthy then has two options: combat stealth and remezz = win!) or whirlwind/force lift (usually if it's an instant). guard no longer has breaker. sin/shadow still may even retain his combat stealth. absolutely NOTHING guard could have done differently. (and yes, he called for help on the first stun, giving his team a max of 10s to get there in the largest wz in the game).

the pylon channel needs to be longer. there's already a distance gap to make up for the ease of defending a CW corner. the quick cap is a joke. the entire scenario is cheap.

as for the healing in a duel thing, if you can't dps down a sorc/merc with all the cc a sin has before he whittles you down to nothing, that's on you. really. that's a you issue. I'm not saying take away combat stealth. I'm saying it's a cheap trick in a duel and the pylons in ahg exacerbate the...cheapness. disagree with me all you want. it's an opinion. but don't pretend for a second that being a healing class with horrible dps who heals himself in a fight is remotely similar to a dps with...you know...good dps exiting combat, calling a forced time out, and then healing up with his ooch. cheap? yes/no. up to you. the same thing? now you're just trollin

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12.27.2012 , 02:34 PM | #103
Are you serious right now? Because the premise of my argument is SOLELY ABOUT 1V1 and fixing it wouldn't do anything negative to 3v3 or anything but yet you keep bringing up how it doesn't matter in team matches and it doesn't make any sense to me maybe you just aren't reading my posts through?

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Xinika
12.27.2012 , 02:36 PM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by Abkhazia View Post
Are you serious right now? Because the premise of my argument is SOLELY ABOUT 1V1 and fixing it wouldn't do anything negative to 3v3 or anything but yet you keep bringing up how it doesn't matter in team matches and it doesn't make any sense to me maybe you just aren't reading my posts through?
I was at least giving you the benefit of the doubt but you're point is remaing being ticked off at Assassins 1v1. Which, by the way, is meaningless to any form of group PvP. According to this logic, Mercs need to be completely reworked.

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12.27.2012 , 02:47 PM | #105
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I was at least giving you the benefit of the doubt but you're point is remaing being ticked off at Assassins 1v1. Which, by the way, is meaningless to any form of group PvP. According to this logic, Mercs need to be completely reworked.
There is no excuse for 1v1 being broken if fixing it would have zero consequences for team play seriously what are you not getting here? I hate rated battlegrounds as much as the next guy but I'll probably do them anyway seeing as how arena isn't coming any time soon and if a node is solo defended and they put an assassin on offense this will matter which they probably will at first because they will be expecting some idiot to stand on top of the node begging to be sap capped on. Avoidable but irritating, I generally hate stealth and especially sap mechanics balanced or not as they are just irritating but you should not be able to sap heal. I do not think you even said it was balanced for that matter, you just keep dodging the issue.

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Pretty sure. Let me check. Yep.

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12.27.2012 , 02:48 PM | #106
The tears in this thread are delicious. Are people really talking about "honor" in a pointless, e-peen display known as SWTOR dueling? This isn't feudal Japan in the 1700's ffs!!! If you take a video game duel that seriously, might I suggest you find another, more productive hobby to fill your day with? Besides stroking your delicate ego, tell me what purpose a duel serves? What is gained in game as far as resources, gear, credits, anything, by winning a duel? Serious question.

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12.27.2012 , 02:49 PM | #107
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There is no excuse for 1v1 being broken if fixing it would have zero consequences for team play seriously what are you not getting here? I hate rated battlegrounds as much as the next guy but I'll probably do them anyway seeing as how arena isn't coming any time soon and if a node is solo defended and they put an assassin on offense this will matter which they probably will at first because they will be expecting some idiot to stand on top of the node begging to be sap capped on. Avoidable but irritating, I generally hate stealth and especially sap mechanics balanced or not as they are just irritating but you should not be able to sap heal. I do not think you even said it was balanced for that matter, you just keep dodging the issue.
According to this post, you only care about 1v1s. Something this or no other game will ever be balanced around. Good luck with that philosophy. Also, do I think stealth+sap is fair? Absolutely. One of the more clutch things lying around this low-skill capped game.


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12.27.2012 , 02:51 PM | #108
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...atistic#21:152

I'd like to know what season glad warrior is from because if it isn't cata I don't care. I know enough glad wars stuck in sub 1500 bracket in s9. How is that even possible unless something was horribly broken? Being washed up is one thing... but just wow

I care as little about 1v1 as you but there is no excuse for something being broken in 1v1 if fixing it would have no effect on group environment either way... I don't see where the resistance is coming from.

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12.27.2012 , 02:54 PM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Abkhazia View Post
Same char name...

I care as little about 1v1 as you but there is no excuse for something being broken in 1v1 if fixing it would have no effect on group environment either way... I don't see where the resistance is coming from.
Because it's not broken. According to BW's philosophy on assassins, they SHOULD be exiting combat often to gain their advantage. THIS was the intention of BW.

Anyway, tata.
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12.27.2012 , 02:57 PM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by Abkhazia View Post
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...atistic#21:152

I care as little about 1v1 as you but there is no excuse for something being broken in 1v1 if fixing it would have no effect on group environment either way... I don't see where the resistance is coming from.
It's because MMO PvP balance is not based around a stupid, fruitless time filler like a 1v1 duel. That's probably why. Why all the crying over duels? I don't see where the resistance is coming from.