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So. Ninjas yea?


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mikebevo
01.30.2013 , 06:20 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by SnoggyMack View Post
To be fair, most people who are complaining about ninjas and losing loot rolls are only thinking of themselves. Since the complaint thread stems from THEM losing a roll on something. The issue isn't fueled by altruism. It's fueled by people thinking of themselves and what they lost a roll on.
Well I am not.

Personally I could care less about losing a roll, just means if it is something I want that I have to do the instances again to get it. I only get upset when I see someone new trying to play the game to the best of their ability, trying to be social and you can tell scared because they are new and they are playing with three over geared players for a first time in a flashpoint and then you see a jerk need a willpower item and the fresh 50 consular lose the roll.

I also donít see a need for bioware to change the system. It works now with the exception of a few jerks. They change it and make it too restrictive and you end up with a hundred threads complaining about that.

I apologize if I came off snide, but you did kind of tick me off with your assumptions.

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johnhughthom
01.31.2013 , 07:40 AM | #82
Personally I've stopped looking at what other people roll, either I get something or I don't. If I don't I'll always get another shot.

What this thread has done for me, is intensified my belief that a lot of healers and tanks think they are special. and when playing the game it's "their way or the high way".

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SnoggyMack
01.31.2013 , 09:47 AM | #83
nevermind .... 10 char
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Icestar
01.31.2013 , 01:18 PM | #84
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What this thread has done for me, is intensified my belief that a lot of healers and tanks think they are special. and when playing the game it's "their way or the high way".
Imagine those players reactions when Bioware introduces dualspecc, then they are not worth that much since almost every good dps player has a "backup specc"

And I mean a option to be able to change specc and buttons with one single command, not use respecc droid and change buttons and gear for half an hour.

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Icestar
01.31.2013 , 01:20 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by mikebevo View Post
I also donít see a need for bioware to change the system. It works now with the exception of a few jerks. They change it and make it too restrictive and you end up with a hundred threads complaining about that.
Nah, I still beliveve that the community would benefit more with items ending up in the right hands then ninjas that sell them.

Those "jerks" that you refer to are quite many nowdays and they ruin alot of positive gamingexperience, especially for those that has done the flashpoints over hundred times and are there to gear up their character.

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SnoggyMack
01.31.2013 , 03:04 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Icestar View Post
Imagine those players reactions when Bioware introduces dualspecc, then they are not worth that much since almost every good dps player has a "backup specc"

And I mean a option to be able to change specc and buttons with one single command, not use respecc droid and change buttons and gear for half an hour.
I would think you of all folks would be adamantly against dual spec. Because if they do implement that, all those people rolling "need" on items you feel they don't actually need, will finally be rolling need on items they do actually need as they'll have to carry around a whole second set of gear for that backup spec to either tank or heal.

And that also means your solution for the loot system ends up being implausible, since the system can't force someone to only roll need on their "class" items when they can immediately switch spec to take on a different role. So DPS rolling on tanking gear will increase. They "need" to mod rip that one enhancement out of it for their tanking set, after all.
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mikebevo
01.31.2013 , 03:22 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by johnhughthom View Post
What this thread has done for me, is intensified my belief that a lot of healers and tanks think they are special. and when playing the game it's "their way or the high way".
My main is a healer and I don't tell anyone how to play, nor do I care unless someone is stealing or abusing someone else in the group. Then I don't care what role they are playing.

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Imagine those players reactions when Bioware introduces dualspecc, then they are not worth that much since almost every good dps player has a "backup specc"
Yeah because tanking and healing is so easy that everyone can do it without any practice at higher level.

If they are decent I will be happy, because that will means I could actually get to do HM TfB on my dps instead of always playing as a healer.

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Icestar
01.31.2013 , 03:54 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by SnoggyMack View Post
I would think you of all folks would be adamantly against dual spec. Because if they do implement that, all those people rolling "need" on items you feel they don't actually need, will finally be rolling need on items they do actually need as they'll have to carry around a whole second set of gear for that backup spec to either tank or heal.

And that also means your solution for the loot system ends up being implausible, since the system can't force someone to only roll need on their "class" items when they can immediately switch spec to take on a different role. So DPS rolling on tanking gear will increase. They "need" to mod rip that one enhancement out of it for their tanking set, after all.
Then you have missunderstood my point of view. I only want Bioware to restrict those that cant use items on their character to roll need, if you can actually wear it and benefit from it then I vote yes.

I would gladly lose roll to someone in the team that can wear the item and benefit from it then to someone that can not and vendor it for cash.

Besides in my experience, someone that rolls for offspecc are more eager to ask in the chat then someone that rolls randomly on everything.

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Icestar
01.31.2013 , 04:05 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by mikebevo View Post
Yeah because tanking and healing is so easy that everyone can do it without any practice at higher level.

If they are decent I will be happy, because that will means I could actually get do HM TfB on my dps instead of always playing as a healer.
Actually, to get a team through HMs is not that extremely hard if you are a good dps player. Understanding other roles are part of evolving dps characters to the next level.

That is how I think, but then again I have 16 characters and 10 of them level 50s. I enjoyed watching tanks and healers so much that I created new characters to have that role other then to re-specc my original dps characters.

I think that a good dps player with dualspecc will get enough training to be able to fill that role temporarily if a tank/healer starts a drama and leaves.

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mikebevo
01.31.2013 , 04:22 PM | #90
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I think that a good dps player with dualspecc will get enough training to be able to fill that role temporarily if a tank/healer starts a drama and leaves.
It would depend on the rest of the group. I have done HMFP with my dps shadow playing tank and a dps commando assigned healer, I have done them with 2 fairly fresh 50's (still needing gear in a HMFP) and my companion dps healer after the tank quit. So with a decent group a healer or tank isn't even needed in a HMFP. I have even done D7 with a shadow tank, 2 sage healers and my sawbones (just for laughs), so dps isn't really needed etiher in HMFP. However, lets see your never healerd before dps want to be healer get into HM FE with a 13k HP tank. I actually think in guild runs we could heal one of the tier 1 hmfp with a couple Sentinels, I know I averaged 219 hps last night in HM EC on her. D7 would work, I once healed it with only Diagnostic Scan (again just for laughs).

Also not all tanks and healer are jerks, I have never quit a group, never been kicked from a group and the group has never quit a hmfp since my first trip into HMD7, the 2nd HMFP I ever did as a fresh 50, did HM BOI no problem, guild run, but I was so bad a the final boss in D7 (and had level 49 gear on) that we quit. I have never gone into another HMFP or Operation undergeared or without a complete understand of my abilities and "when possible" information on the instance. No clue how good a healer I am now, but at one time I considered myself the worse healer in the history of TOR.