SWTOR still bleeding players?

I call BS. Even as a guild leader of a guild of 200 plus I never knew 40 people that well to say if they had quit the game or not. More likely 40 is a number that was pulled out of the air

Ok we had a 25 person guild at launch, and there is only 2 left from that. We then joined another guild that all but left the game. So 40 is a close enough number to be honest. I also know of other guilds who were with us in clearing content as server firsts who all quit as well. So that is around 2 other 8 and guilds. Now some of those peopel might have come back, I don't know, but close to 40 is def not out of the range.
Most of the serious raiders have quit. I only came back cause I wanted to see the new OPS, but only 1 person I knew then still plays that I know of. I can try to dig up old guild web sites and you can see how many have quit.
And those 200+ guilds are what i am saying is thriving. those guilds are not the hardcore raiders/pvper. Yes in your world all is well, but for players in my world, the game is not doing so well. Again it is all reletive.

There is no doubt that this game hemorrhaged players in under a year. The reasons are speculative, but it did happen. I think, however, it is likely the population has at least stabilized, though maybe dipping a bit after the Makeb announcement.

now I love rading. I absolutely love it. But I also know that Raiders are a very small percentage of the player base. Hardcore raiders even less so.

This is why you have seen the shift in WoW from 40 man raids to what are they now 10 and 20 man? And they are all really easy. Fact is it doesn't pay for a MMO to cater to the Hardcore Raider base. It's a dying breed in MMOs. This is why raiders go crazy when they here what ever new MMO is going to be like old school EQ. But it never works out in the end.

I don't think you understand how guilds work. Even with the best guilds you have large number that will either park an alt in it and never play again, quit it or decide to play some low level toon elsewhere.

Trying to judge subs by the number of guildies you can keep is just plain foolish. Your guild might just suck

Ahhh yet another thread by the ever desperate SWG fan base to prove once again that SWTOR is dying.

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I fail to understand this reaction from some folks when threads like this pop up. It seems a bit odd to make this contention at this point since the game did lose most of it's player base, and my guess would be most of those "haters" have moved on to other games by now.

I would guess that most of the players here now are passionate about the game and it's success. It seems silly to me to blanket those folks with accusations of dreadmongering while cheerleading in the same breath.

The game needs neither. What it needs, IMO, is critical feedback so that it can continue to grow and improve. Cheerleading and Raging contributes nothing to the game's health or growth.

Speak for yourself, I totally agree with the guy you're trying to dispute. I've personally seen over 50 raiders leave the game during this year, needless to say a stable 16m ops guild has been an impossibility for over half a year now simply because of the lack of people, or rather lack of raiders. On the previous server (Basilisk Droid) the Imperial Fleet literally had 10-20 people online at peak hours before the server got merged with Tomb of Freedon Nadd. That was around May ... now please tell me how you can have a viable and stable raiding community with so few people?

On TOFN right now the Empire side is littered with either f2p dribblers or casual players who have absolutely no interest in playing "ender" game, the average "raider" there lasts about a few weeks before he/she jumps ship. I've personally been part of at least 4x 16m ops groups and every time they fell apart like a stack of cards after only a week or two. Why? Too many people left the game. Needless to say there is NO 16 man guild on TOFN Empire side, and as far as I know, there is only one on the Rep side. And to make matters worse, my guild (Saga) achieved server Empire first TFB HM, EC NiM and timed run under atrocious conditions, namely 2-3 people leaving after TFB HM and EC NiM released, respectively, meaning there were about 6 people online at peak hours ... and even after such setbacks we still somehow beat the content first. So other guilds are much worse. And the recruitment? We are seeking only dpsers, we have enough tanks and healers ... nope, noone has applied for over two months, and, as I said, the average recruit/raider leaves after a few weeks. The situation is dire, to say the least. NONE of those 50 players that I've seen leave the game has yet returned. And bear in mind TOFN is the only pvp server, the other English server (which is faring much better when it comes to raiding, I have to say) is Red Eclipse, but BW, in all their wisdom, does not allow server transfers, so yeah, stuck on TOFN for better or worse ... and it's getting worse and worse. So, again, speak for yourself if you don't have such problems, but my personal experience attests to the dire situation we had on Basilisk Droid and now on TOFN.

Is SWTOR bleeding players? According to my extensive experience (been actively playing since early release, first on Basilisk Droid, after merges on TOFN, I have around 70 days of played time) YES, but only players engaged in endgame. I enjoy the game immensely, but if this trend of losing players continues, I may soon find myself without a good raiding guild and being stuck on a server lacking any hardcore pve community. I really can't believe it's come to this, but I am seriously considering ending my playing session simply because of the lack of raiding people. Without a strong raiding community (not necessarily hardcore) I see no point in playing this game for years on end. It's not like we are given enough of that fourth pillar to occupy us for years ...

Head-desk

honestly if anyone can believe this game has not lost a lot of subs and even going free to play is not in a good place and will just continue to bleed, then I don't know what to say. It is not liek some big secret this game has been slowly losing subs. Every gaming news outlet will tell you the same thing. This is not soem opinion. Now if you like the game, that is fine. Play it, hell I play it, but that does not mean it is having major issues. It is a 200million budget game that went F2P in less then a year. Yes it is having problems.

I got some land I wanna sell you people, and a car... don't worry they are both great.

The only things to do when you hit 50:

-Run the hardest content Once a week
-PvP the same 5 arenas
-Roll an alt
-Grind dailies
-Troll general chat

Not a surprise this game is dying and went f2p