I'm feeling Nickel and Dimed by Makeb

As I said the price is about right (well not sure about the F2P price), but it's still an "adventure pack" not an "expansion".

Makeb will have been in development for at least 1 year by the time it is released, content to development-time-wise that's not exactly speedy.

Sure I suspect we'll see a lot of new gambling packs and $15 outfits in 2013, but I'm not so sure what other content SWTOR will see.

A rose by any other name. Are you seriously going to banter about the meaning of "expansion pack" versus "adventure pack"?

Lol, who says this game isn't full of nerds?

I'm kinda confused, so would you be fine to pay $10 for an adventure pack as is, but not for an expansion that is roughly the same size and price as an adventure pack?

Its all just semantics really.

But this goes beyond that since most if not a lot of people are upset also because they don't even qualify this expansion as an adventure pack as you see it, but more of an content update, which they should be entitled to with free access.

I've been having a generally negative feeling all week about the announcement to charge for the next content update. I'm someone who has kind of grown up with the subscription model. The business model that I'm used to has me paying 15 dollars a month for a game to play, including regular content updates including solo content, open world group content, minor gameply updates -I'm not talking about bugs-, and raiding updates.

I want to be careful to say that I'm not being critical of the Makeb content update. I think you guys have done a fine job of releasing new content on a timely scale. If not for the Nickel and Dime aspect, I would be energized and excited about a nice planet to play next spring.

Every couple years, I expect an expansion that significantly updates the game. In SWTOR I would expecte a full rework of all classes so they play different and the game legitimately feels updated. I would expect a full Act 4 including a minimum of 3 Voss/Belsavis/Corelia sized planets, a class story that progresses through each planet for all 8 base classes, and some evolution of my relationship with my companions. I would also expect to see at least a couple new flashpoints, and at least 1 new tier of operations. I would pay 40 dollars for this. I also wouldn't expect this to happen this year. It would be a 2014 thing.

This is the business model that I'm comfortable with.

Instead, in a few months, I'm going to be asked to pay additional money to download a content patch hidden behind a paywall. If I don't pay, then I don't get to continue playing endgame content. It feels wrong and it makes me wonder if this is going to be the new normal for SWTOR. If it is, then does that mean I shouldn't ever expect to see a big expansion that reworks all the classes and makes the game feel fresh again? Should I never expect to have months of new class stories to discover? Will there even be an Act 4? How many times will I have to plunk down 10 dollar bills for content updates in addition to my 15 dollars a month I already pay before I see a real expansion?

I've kind of been feeling crappy all week about this announcement and I haven't been sure how to word it. I'm not going to pre-order the patch and hopefully, my opinion will evolve as more information comes out.

Regardless, I realize that when this content is released, I will be making a final decision to accept the new "pay us 10 bucks when we tell you to" business model or leave the game I enjoy playing forever.

That is, unless the business team behind the game changes their mind and offers the patch for free to subscribers.

First off we get 5 levels a new planet and skills and who knows what else.

With the 5 additional levels and skills being released it can still offer new play style options for classes.

This game is different than WoW, with the voice acting alone it can become costly paying the writing team to come up with interesting stories and dialogue and having voice actors perform.

Last I checked with most Expansions you have to pay for them, only a few MMO's out there are the Expansions free. Also, Makeb is NOT the only thing in the Expansion, and so they changed from having Makeb be an Update to an Expansion, get over it.

I'm kinda confused, so would you be fine to pay $10 for an adventure pack as is, but not for an expansion that is roughly the same size and price as an adventure pack?

Its all just semantics really.

But this goes beyond that since most if not a lot of people are upset also because they don't even qualify this expansion as an adventure pack as you see it, but more of an content update, which they should be entitled to with free access.

Yea, I'm sure telling people to get over it will change their point of view.


Get over yourself.


The problem as I see it, and as I've already presented, is that all we know about this "Expansion" is that it was meant to be a free update, but after the F2P move, suddenly it's a paid for Expansion. What a load of ****.

They changed their mind, wow, just wow, I dont think Ive ever heard of anyone ever doing that in the history of mankind...

The problem as I see it, and as I've already presented, is that all we know about this "Expansion" is that it was meant to be a free update, but after the F2P move, suddenly it's a paid for Expansion.