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Flashpoint Battles: Darth Ikoral vs the Prophet of Vodal

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Flashpoint Battles: Darth Ikoral vs the Prophet of Vodal

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Maaruin
12.21.2012 , 06:55 PM | #1
This series will present some scenarios which lead the forces seen in different Flashpoints to face each other.

The rules will be adjusted in every battle. Only two overall rules will stand:
  • Level doesn't matter (it can be assumed all participants are level 50)
  • No involvement of player characters


The Kaggath between Darth Ikoral and Vodal Kressh


Scenario: Darth Ikoral and the Vodal Kressh followers from Athiss have both peacefully made contact to the Sith Empire. Both claim to represent the traditions of the Sith and urge the Empire to follow them more closely. But, of course, their ideas seem quite different. Darth Ikoral is a pureblood supremacist. The Prophet of Vodal wants to restore the Kressh line as rulers of the Sith, maybe even resurrect Vodal himself.
Now the spirit of Vodal Kressh challenges Darth Ikoral to a Kaggath with Athiss as arena. So the Prophet claims. Darth Ikoral accepts and the Red Reaper sets course to this ancient Sith world.
The Dark Council sends observers.

Location: Athiss, around and in the Tomb of Vodal Kressh

Darth Ikoral was a member of the Dark Council a century ago. He went on a quest to find other pure blood Sith. He got missiong for hundred years, but then he returned with the purebloods he had found. Some are still in hibernation, but others are eager to fight for a pure Sith Empire.
Forces: The Red Reaper and it's crew, SV-3 Eradicator droid, Ikoral's Chosen, Lord Kherus, Sith of varying strength, some armed with lightsabers, others with blaster rifles, droids

Vodal Kressh was a selfe declared Dark Lord of the Sith. The Empire forced him into exile on Athiss, where he conducted alchemical experiments. He was buried there and his followers still dwell near his tomb. They are lead by the Prophet of Vodal, a powerful Sith Sorcerer. For hundreds of years the planet was isolated from the rest of the galaxy. Until a team of unfortunate Republic explorers landed.
Forces: The Beast of Vodal Kressh, Professor Ley'arsha and other corrupted members of her team (explorers, excavators and reprogrammed droids), Temple Guardians, Temple Disciples, Tomb-Dweller tribes, alchemical creatures

Special Rules:
  • The Kaggath is a battle for prestige, both leaders have to consider this.
  • Vodal Kressh's spirit may interfere, but he must not be ressurrected.
  • No outside help.
  • The fight continues until one leader is killed or surrenders.
  • For unknown reasons, the Emperor is silent and does not interfere.

Who will win this fight under the eyes of the Dark Council?

(Additional Question: Who do you think the Dark Council would send as observers?)
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
-Ajunta Pall

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Diablo_Cow
12.22.2012 , 12:23 AM | #2
Ikoral would win the battle. His ship could easily bombard the ruins to dust. His troops are better geared, trained, and well are military compared to the explorers and the prophet. On a one on one, Ikoral would win again since he more powerful than the prophet. Now if Kreesh were revived I'm not sure. I don't know enough about Kreesh to give an answer.

EDIT: Forgot to add this, but the observer would be Darrh Nox since he is the was of ancient knowledge, or Thanaton if Nox is not yet apart of the Council

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konstadinosblue
12.22.2012 , 02:58 AM | #3
do we know the number of Ikoral's forces?or if he had any artilery or tanks?because those beasts
would rip apart planty of his troops.maybe his beast could even take down the eradicator.but with
all those corrupt guys and temple staff and tribes unless ikoral had more than AT LEAST 5,000 troops
he isn't gonna win this....not mention that vodal kressh's could even cause terror to ikoral's troops
and turn the tide of the battle.....about the observers...what about Darth Nox and Darth Zash!!No I'm just kidding...
I believe they could send Nox with either Marr or Malgus...what about the Wrath?
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Beniboybling
12.22.2012 , 06:16 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Diablo_Cow View Post
Ikoral would win the battle. His ship could easily bombard the ruins to dust. His troops are better geared, trained, and well are military compared to the explorers and the prophet. On a one on one, Ikoral would win again since he more powerful than the prophet. Now if Kreesh were revived I'm not sure. I don't know enough about Kreesh to give an answer.
I would disagree. Remember prestige is important, just like when Malak bombarded Revan's flagship an orbital bombardment of the ruins would make Ikoral seem weak in the eyes of the Council who may decided to destroy him as well. Plus Ikoral would want to face him in battle personally to prove himself, and would be confident he can succeed.

As a traditional Kaggath I think this will come down to a one-on-one fight. But I think Ikoral would win, this is only a Prophet remember and Ikoral is a power Sith Lord once on the Dark Council.

Observers? I would say the Emperor's Wrath or the Imperial Guard. Most likely the Imperial Guard as the Wrath has more pressing matters to attend to.

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Diablo_Cow
12.22.2012 , 06:42 AM | #5
I don't think the beasts would play too much of a role in the ground fight. Based on what the heros of the Empire and Republic traverse in Athiss, the ruins them selves seem to give an advantage to rifles, grenades, and snipers. Hard for a beast to do damage if the enemy is out of reach. Also an orbital bombardment would the smart thing to do on this case. It might be frowned apon but the advantage it provides is too great. What I could see happening is for thr prophet and his small amount of crazed Sith surviving only to face a personal challenge from Ikoral. Ikoral kills the prophet and followers.

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Beniboybling
12.22.2012 , 06:45 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Diablo_Cow View Post
I don't think the beasts would play too much of a role in the ground fight. Based on what the heros of the Empire and Republic traverse in Athiss, the ruins them selves seem to give an advantage to rifles, grenades, and snipers. Hard for a beast to do damage if the enemy is out of reach. Also an orbital bombardment would the smart thing to do on this case. It might be frowned apon but the advantage it provides is too great. What I could see happening is for thr prophet and his small amount of crazed Sith surviving only to face a personal challenge from Ikoral. Ikoral kills the prophet and followers.
Even if Ikoral does resort to orbital bombardment, he has to go down their and check for survivors. And Vodal & co can easily hide out in the depths of the ruins to escape the worst of the impact...

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Maaruin
12.22.2012 , 11:02 AM | #7
Concerning Orbital Bombardment:

Remember, both sides claim to represent Sith tradition and purity. Using overwhelming technology to win this Kaggath wouldn't support Ikoral's claim of pureblood supriority and stuff. I doubt he will resort to it.

Concerning Numbers:

The Red Reaper is a Harrower-class dreadnaught. Wookiepedia says it has a crew of 2,400 men and a capacity of 7,300 troops. Given that it carries Purebloods in hibernation, I suspect that it is indeed fully staffed so they had to resort to this to carry more.
We don't know how large the Tomb-Dweller tribes are, but in total I suspect there to be also several thousands of them (of course, not all of them are seen in the flashpoint). But their elite, the Temple Guardians and Temple Disciples, are probably not that much, only a few dozen. Same with the Republic explorers.

Concerning the Location:

(The Prophet of) Vodal didn't choose Athiss as the arena for no reasons. His forces do have an advantage there. Think about the Ewoks in RotJ or the Wookies in RotS who used their knowledge of the environment in battle.

And the Spirit of Vodal Kressh might also play a role. How long would it take the troops to be driven crazy or become possessed by it. I doubt all of them have the mental strength to resist indefinitly.

There are also some question for the Eradicator to be answered:
-Is the Eradicator suited for the terrain?
-Would it's powerful weapons (Red Beam and Blue Beam) work without the crystal pillars on the Red Reaper?

Concerning Endgame:

In the end, there will probably be a duel between Ikoral and the Prophet. If Ikoral is winning at that point, it will happen in the burial chamber. If the Prophet is winning, it will happen in Ikoral's sanctum. But I am not sure about one thing: Would the Kaggath allow Ikoral's Chosen to participate in the final battle? It was possible in the fight with Thanaton, but that might be game mechanic.
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
-Ajunta Pall

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Beniboybling
12.22.2012 , 01:30 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Maaruin View Post
Concerning Orbital Bombardment:

Remember, both sides claim to represent Sith tradition and purity. Using overwhelming technology to win this Kaggath wouldn't support Ikoral's claim of pureblood supriority and stuff. I doubt he will resort to it.

Concerning Numbers:

The Red Reaper is a Harrower-class dreadnaught. Wookiepedia says it has a crew of 2,400 men and a capacity of 7,300 troops. Given that it carries Purebloods in hibernation, I suspect that it is indeed fully staffed so they had to resort to this to carry more.
We don't know how large the Tomb-Dweller tribes are, but in total I suspect there to be also several thousands of them (of course, not all of them are seen in the flashpoint). But their elite, the Temple Guardians and Temple Disciples, are probably not that much, only a few dozen. Same with the Republic explorers.

Concerning the Location:

(The Prophet of) Vodal didn't choose Athiss as the arena for no reasons. His forces do have an advantage there. Think about the Ewoks in RotJ or the Wookies in RotS who used their knowledge of the environment in battle.

And the Spirit of Vodal Kressh might also play a role. How long would it take the troops to be driven crazy or become possessed by it. I doubt all of them have the mental strength to resist indefinitly.

There are also some question for the Eradicator to be answered:
-Is the Eradicator suited for the terrain?
-Would it's powerful weapons (Red Beam and Blue Beam) work without the crystal pillars on the Red Reaper?

Concerning Endgame:

In the end, there will probably be a duel between Ikoral and the Prophet. If Ikoral is winning at that point, it will happen in the burial chamber. If the Prophet is winning, it will happen in Ikoral's sanctum. But I am not sure about one thing: Would the Kaggath allow Ikoral's Chosen to participate in the final battle? It was possible in the fight with Thanaton, but that might be game mechanic.
Guerrila tactics will only hold the enemy of for so long, I believe Ikoral's Sith Troopers and Sith in general could overwhelm Kressh's rag-tag forces soon enough. Which would give him an advantage in the battle to come. And Vodal Kressh isn't all that impressive like Naga Sadow or Ludo Kressh, he was just a Sith that rebelled against the Emperor. I think Ikoral beats the Prophet of a Sith who was probably on weaker than him when living.

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Maaruin
12.22.2012 , 07:19 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Guerrila tactics will only hold the enemy of for so long, I believe Ikoral's Sith Troopers and Sith in general could overwhelm Kressh's rag-tag forces soon enough. Which would give him an advantage in the battle to come. And Vodal Kressh isn't all that impressive like Naga Sadow or Ludo Kressh, he was just a Sith that rebelled against the Emperor. I think Ikoral beats the Prophet of a Sith who was probably on weaker than him when living.
Vodal Kressh had the guts to challange the Emperor and declare himself Dark Lord of the Sith (I guess in the old meaning, where there is only one Dark Lord). He basically thought he could rule the Empire and I don't think he was dumb. So he probably was quite powerful.

In general, Darth Ikoral is the superior fighter to the Prophet. But the Prophet's the Prophet can use the Force to create a "crushing affliction", which hurts pretty badly. And then he can summon the living fires and rend Ikoral's soul. I guess we all remember these attacks from the flashpoint, and without a healer, they will destroy you.

If Darth Ikoral doesn't bring his Chosen, he has no protection. And I'm unsure if Darth Ikoral can channel the ancient power he has gathered in this fight. Because he probably stored it in his sanctum on the Red Reaper. Without his two most powerful assets, he would have to kill the Prophet very fast to prevent him from performing the rituals we see in the fight.

Of course, if he can bring his chosen and create the Force bound, things look different.

(I think at this point it can be assumed that their ingame abilities are somehow based in lore. Because if not, we can't really compare them.)

So the question is: Does the Kaggath tradition require the last fight to be a one-on-one fight? Will Darth Ikoral risk such a fight?
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
-Ajunta Pall

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Beniboybling
12.23.2012 , 05:55 AM | #10
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So the question is: Does the Kaggath tradition require the last fight to be a one-on-one fight? Will Darth Ikoral risk such a fight?
I think he will, as a Sith Lord rising up against his Empire based on tradition (disgusted at TOC, aliens etc) I believe he would want to challenge the Prophet in person.