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I Fully Support Makeb: Story Content is Encouraging and Should Be Encouraged!

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MWidowmaker

12.19.2012 , 01:46 PM \| #51	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro Some of you may have seen my various rants around the forums lately, both in threads of my own creation or otherwise. And yes, they express quite a large amount of discontent with the direction of the game. But for all the faults I find, for all the illogical decisions that I feel have been made, I am still looking forward to Makeb. Am I happy that I perceive a focus on the Cartel Shop rather than the core game? No. Am I happy that we haven't heard anything about the expansion of class stories since pre-release? No. Am I happy that we were led to believe Makeb would be free for subscriber and the opposite proved true? No. But the most important question that I asked myself, and furthermore a question anyone who is considering not buying into this content needs to ask themselves, is a story-focused update something that appeals to you? And the answer, for me, is a resounding, "Yes!" Sure, you might have reservations because what has been stated isn't tailor-made to your preferences, but we've seen how hesitant BioWare is to release very intensive content such as this - we need to encourage this expansion of story, even if we think that the term "expansion" is misused. Yes, I much prefer class-specific story, and I personally have very little interest in "criminal underground"-type stories, particularly in the Star Wars setting, but story is story. Earlier in the month, I said that I have stopped supporting BioWare financially until I can once again approve of their overall direction. I unsubscribed because I felt that I was being coerced to pay doubly for content - once with my subscription, and a second time to access the content developed with that subscription. Because of this, I absolutely love the 50% off deal for subscribers, as that means that I can essentially pay double for story content, more-or-less devoting money that would have gone into a general subscription into strictly story-based content. This is a good thing. It's often stated on these forums that EA (or EAWare, or my personal favourite, BioWEAre) is only interested in the bottom-line: cash. Well, this is the perfectly opportunity to make your money talk. Don't squander it simply because you aren't pleased with the circumstances surrounding the content itself. Yoda knows that I'm not impressed by the circumstances at all, but I'm making the decision, here and now, to support this particular direction for the game. If nothing else, the Cartel Shop affords players, subscribed or not, the opportunity to support the game in very specific ways, thus encouraging development in very specific places. I encourage my fellow forumites to do so - show BioWEAre what you want. Story content isn't easy to make, nor is it as efficient or cost-effective. If you want to see more development in this direction, help to soften the blow. Prove to the executives that story content is indeed a viable way to make profit from SW:TOR. If you want more lightsaber crystal colours, buy the ones available. If you want more playable species, buy Cathar. If you want to delve more deeply into story content, buy Makeb. Sure, that yellow-orange crystal might not be your bag, Cathar might be the furthest thing in your mind from "playable" and the engaging with the Hutt Cartel might be the most tedious thing you could imagine for your character. That discontent doesn't matter if you, as a player, wish to influence the direction of the game. I'm not saying your discontent should not be voiced, that you should not encourage specific additions, but the only way you're going to see those specific desires materialize is by supporting general trends. Every single item on the Cartel Shop, this forthcoming expansion of story - this content is all emblematic of general trends. I'm not saying that every single player out there should be forking over cash for content that you don't want. All I'm saying is that, if you're as passionate about this game as I am, and even if you've become jaded and cynical as the development progresses, you can still tell BioWEAre precisely where to focus their development. I've become hard on the game because I love it. But I'm not going to allow that attitude to become petty enough to actually damage my own cause. A few days ago, I implored BioWare to redirect Cartel Shop funds into the core experience. Today, I am imploring the playerbase to justify that redirection. Show BioWare that it is fine for them to charge for content that is more in-depth, more intensive. Encourage them to develop more of this content. These months are incredibly formative - the direction the game times is being determined as we speak. BioWare is testing the waters on every inch of the pool's edge. It is up to the players to give them the encouragement to dive in, and to advise them precisely where they do so. Do not get so caught up in the negativity (justifiable or otherwise) that you squander this rare opportunity. well said, and I agree
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NSStember

12.19.2012 , 01:53 PM \| #52	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by johnxtreeme exactly, $10 is so cheap, I don't understand why people in some of the wealthiest countries in the world somehow don't want to pay the price of a snack from KFC for an expansion that will provide HOURS of content. Unless you do it on 'principle' in which case ****, it's clearly good value, and if they didn't charge you, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DEVELOP THE GAME. I totally agree, you have to put the price into perspective. I just came back from lunch, which ran me around $12 and made me happy for the moment. $10 for Makeb will make me happy a lot longer (and will be less fattening)

chuixupu

12.19.2012 , 01:56 PM \| #53	Quote
This is a good point - as angry as some people may be about the circumstances surrounding Makeb, if there is one thing that I am completely for supporting in any way I can, it's more of what I like about this game most - the fully-voiced story. If you want to boycott EA's greed, don't it with the Cartel shop stuff. But if a story expansion (however minor) is not successful, then this will be the last we ever see of it. I know there are those that already think this is the last of it - well if that's the case then, I'm going to try and enjoy what I can before the apocalypse.
Wardens of Fate / Alea Iacta Est The Tarkus Legacy ~ The Harbinger/Jedi Covenant

TheHunterC

12.19.2012 , 01:58 PM \| #54	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by johnxtreeme exactly, $10 is so cheap, I don't understand why people in some of the wealthiest countries in the world somehow don't want to pay the price of a snack from KFC for an expansion that will provide HOURS of content. Unless you do it on 'principle' in which case ****, it's clearly good value, and if they didn't charge you, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DEVELOP THE GAME. Now here's a person who made a point Agreed
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FeelFlow

12.19.2012 , 02:20 PM \| #55	Quote
Really excited about the expansion and storyline. I've had my doubts about the game, but I'm still excited to see it progress in this way. Looking forward to hearing more about it.

kamed

12.19.2012 , 02:29 PM \| #56	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Jumajin Actually, Funcom handles ALL development and design of TSW, EA is simply the publisher-distributor (aka Order Fullfillment House). They have no say in the game, and Funcom stated that many times pre-launch. It is the same relationship SOE had with Flying Labs Softwware for Pirates of the Burning Sea (and their former Creative Director, Chris Pramas, is a friend of mine in the RPG industry as he also owns Green Ronin). They simply handled the game's publishing and (in that case) billing through Station. So, TSW is purely Funcom. Otherwise, I would not be there. Yes, I am aware that EA gets a cut as the publisher-distruibutor, same as Cubicle 7 Entertainment (owned by the video game developer, Rebellion) gets a cut of my RPG books, or Random House gets a cut of our novel distruibution. Likewise, their logos go on my books, too, as the fullfillment house. Same as with EA in TSW, or SOE over with Pirates. Common practice, but they still have no design or direction say into the products. I don't care about that aspect, though. EA has no design or direction input into TSW, and that is what matters to me. Good to know you are aware of that detail. But I never said EA helped develop anything. But EA did have a hand in the game. Oh sorry to burst your bubble even further, the board of directors for Funcom are majority old EA Executives LOL

Shwarzchild

12.19.2012 , 02:39 PM \| #57	Quote
No doubt, I'm with you in supporting content I deem at the very least kind of where I want it to be going. So I've preordered chptr 4. I figure I'll give them at least 2 expansions of chances to get to where I want to see things going. If they refuse to ultimately change anything from one expansion to the next. I will simply leave. I've supported the game from the very beginning which a lot of people here have. If they aren't going to go in the direction that I would rather it go, I'll simply pull my support, and EA/Bioware can market to people who want to go in their direction. It's a sad though to leave though. This game was/is my very first experience with an MMO. I don't see myself playing another game. This game had exactly what I was looking for: story driven rpg, with some group activities if I wanted to group. In a more general sense, I'm pretty disillusioned with the direction of not just this mmo, but the RPG category as a whole from CPU to console. I've actually started simply reading more actual book instead of playing games. Hell, I haven't actually bought a console game, or cpu game since ME3. Nothing out there excites me. It's a shame. Who knows though, by supporting the things we want in this game, maybe we'll see things that we truly want.

CelCawdro

12.19.2012 , 03:29 PM \| #58	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by FeelFlow Really excited about the expansion and storyline. I've had my doubts about the game, but I'm still excited to see it progress in this way. Looking forward to hearing more about it. Precisely. My essential point is that you can be discontented with all of the circumstances surrounding this content, but if this is the type of content you want, don't spite it. In the long run, that merely ensures that content more specific to your particular wants will never materialize. Those chances may be slim now, but don't make it an impossibility because of the way the content made its way to us. Voice your discontent, but make your money speak. Don't like the general direction of the game? Then don't support the game, generally, with a subscription. Don't like Cartel Packs? Don't buy them. But the content that you do like, make a point by buying it.
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Arodin

12.19.2012 , 04:59 PM \| #59	Quote
I think it comes down to whether or not you are willing to support a SWTOR that does not have class stories. EA/Bioware have made the decision to abandon class story content. That's a done deal. It's just wishful thinking to pretend that they might continue class stories in the future. Makeb is the new norm for story content in SWTOR. If it does very well, it will only solidify this format for future story updates in SWTOR. The only possible chance that we'll see a continuation to the class stories is if Makeb does poorly and they get a barrage of feedback about the lack of class stories in Makeb, and even then it's a very small chance. You should support Makeb if you are happy with any story content, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you are making a down-payment on future class story continuations, because you are not.

chuixupu

12.19.2012 , 05:06 PM \| #60	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Arodin I think it comes down to whether or not you are willing to support a SWTOR that does not have class stories. EA/Bioware have made the decision to abandon class story content. That's a done deal. I've seen a couple of people say this, but I can't see where they made this statement anywhere, can you provide a link? They started working on Makeb shortly after the game's launch, if you go back and read things that Daniel Erickson had to say about it, they never intended it to have class stories, and that was at a time when the game was in a lot better shape. Quote: The only possible chance that we'll see a continuation to the class stories is if Makeb does poorly and they get a barrage of feedback about the lack of class stories in Makeb, and even then it's a very small chance. No - if Makeb fails, pretty much any future story content is done with. They won't have the funds or support to create it. Quote: You should support Makeb if you are happy with any story content, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you are making a down-payment on future class story continuations, because you are not. I agree there, but not supporting Makeb will not bring class stories either.
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