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One planet is not an expansion
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Durasturan
12.20.2012 , 12:11 AM | #221
Quote: Originally Posted by Bounty_ View Post
those multiple raids and dungeons are added afterwords, so you think about it they can do what they have right now, its close to a typical wow expansions, granted the last two only went 5 levels, like this one. but all the "extra content" is added in content patches, wow usally realeases with 1 maybe 2 raids anf the others are added in along the way.
I'm sorry but you really should check your facts before you post dude. Here is a list of what it launched with.

http://www.wowpedia.org/World_of_War...ts_of_Pandaria

Break down
Level cap
New Race
New Class
Talent System Revamp and class rebalance
Pet Battles
Player Housing/Player Farms
New type of AH
9 new zones
6 New dungeons
4 Revamped dungeons
3 New Raids
2 New Battlegrounds
2 New arenas

And I paid $10 more than they are asking for the SWTOR expansion and got a free month of game time out of it...

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Bounty_
12.20.2012 , 12:13 AM | #222
dude first off, ive played it the dungeons release yes, the raids did not they were added afterwords so get your facts straight and dont throw a wikipedi page at me like you know what your talking about.
Because the funny thing about those wiki sites anyone can edit it. thats why they are a uncredible source when you use them for any paper or anything you do for a job or school.
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Durasturan
12.20.2012 , 12:15 AM | #223
Quote: Originally Posted by Bounty_ View Post
And yet another post that makes assuptions, we have afew months let them get more news out, if they poped the cherry on the first reveal you all would complain that there isnt enough then to.
its a marketing tactic, you tease a product then closer you let more news be known, its happened idk every game or movie release ever.
You're the one making the assumption that it's going to come with MORE than advertised...

I'm assuming that it will launch with what they have said it will launch with, as it is advertised ON THEIR PREORDER SITE.

You can wait for the marketing shills to come out and oversell every single minor addition "OMG LOOK AT THIS AWESOME NEW BRACER PIECE" as the greatest thing since sliced bread. But the fact remains, if they thought it'd come with 3 raids, they'd be screaming it from the rooftops and then if they couldn't finish them in time they'd say "we'll add them eventually" just like they did with Legacy, Ranked Warzones, Nightmare modes etc.

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Kalfear
12.20.2012 , 12:56 AM | #224
Quote: Originally Posted by Orlesian View Post
Oooh, new Datacrons! I wonder if there is going to be hidden pets to aquire as well?
lol, im actually excited about the datacron

But you know thats really kinda my point as well

They put out this statement saying this this and this

People complain (in mass) and a community manager gives us more details inside a thread most players will never see

Why not give us the details like was said here

Coming Expansion:
New Full sized planet with subterrain caverns and gardens
Increased levels
increased datacrons
More heroics
Faction based story lines
new equipement
new rewards
100s of hours of new game play (Im hoping this for sure as if there isnt 100s of hours of new content, then this really does fall short of a expansion on any level)
*and what ever else there is for sure that they can say to pump up the concept*

The bigger they make it sound, the less people veiw it as a content update
The less people veiw it as a content update, the more happy and excited the people will be.

Its not rocket science,
Really its just marketing 101
Get people excited about the product

Lets face it, EA has screwed themselves because James O. statements on behalf of EA are in writing and no one can legitly deny that fact. He sold the subscribers on a bundle of goods that as subscribers they will not have to pay for content updates. Honestly it will not shock me to hear someone in the states challenging this issue in court there. Lesser company gaffs have landed them in court regarding MMOs. Im sure someone will carry the ball on this one.

But thats EAs problem, not mine. Frankly I dont much care either way to be honest. They made their bed and well we all know the rest.

But why on earth couldnt they upsell this content update and whats in it.
They had to know there would be instant resistance from many subscribers over this.
Just seems to me the logical course is to make the product sell like a fully detailed expansion, even if its not.

The datacrons make me happy as I figured out like 90% of the in game datacrons with no walk through aides. I like figuring them out and had they announced more datacrons it would have lessened some of the hesitation over this.

Im also happy the planet will be full size. Its not enough (3 new full sized planets would be acceptable each expansion we pay for) but at least its something as I seriously did have the vision of Quesh or Tython or Korriban size planets as what I was expecting based off their press release.

5 levels, but are their new skills to the 5 levels?
Do we just put points into existing skill trees?
Are the skill trees also increasedf?
Is there new gear for the new levels?
What comes with the 5 levels?

Seems to me, and this seems to have been the problem since day 1, EAware wants to show how much controil they have and constantly try to hold info back from the players.

I dont get this mentality
A subscriber (not a f2P player but someone that pays a monthly rate) should be valued and any developer should WANT to share information and get their player base excited and hopeful.
With TOR its always been the mods and devs with holding info and not controlling the spin so half the people get over blown ideas and are let down and the other half (im now in this part, originally I was in the first part) just expect the worst case senario as they been mislead and beat down to much.

Allison, your post gives hope. Thank you
But for the life of me I dont understand why that couldnt have been said from the get go.
You all ask for money upfront but refuse to tell everyone what exactly they paying for.

As I said all along, ill wait and see before commiting.
The datacrons and planet size gives a ray of hope,
hopefully more informative comments are given immediately to let everyone know all thats involved in this content update.

Or hey, we can stay the course of limited info and no interaction with your player base and we can continue with the outpouring of negative responces to concepts that SHOULD ideally bring about excitement and hope.
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Knockerz
12.20.2012 , 01:12 AM | #225
Quote: Originally Posted by Durasturan View Post
I'm sorry but you really should check your facts before you post dude. Here is a list of what it launched with.

http://www.wowpedia.org/World_of_War...ts_of_Pandaria

Break down
Level cap
New Race
New Class
Talent System Revamp and class rebalance
Pet Battles
Player Housing/Player Farms
New type of AH
9 new zones
6 New dungeons
4 Revamped dungeons
3 New Raids
2 New Battlegrounds
2 New arenas

And I paid $10 more than they are asking for the SWTOR expansion and got a free month of game time out of it...
I didn't know about the free month. You get a free month when you buy MoP?
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darkmatterboy
12.20.2012 , 02:13 AM | #226
Will I be able to play for the big and fat Hutt in this new expansion?

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symke
12.20.2012 , 02:23 AM | #227
Quote: Originally Posted by AllisonBerryman View Post
To give you all a better idea of Makeb's scope, it's a planet of equal size to our larger planets and it contains a variety of areas sprawling mesas, underground caverns, garden estates, and more. It introduces faction-specific storylines, new Heroic missions and bosses, repeatable mission series, and new Datacrons! The 5 new levels will occupy players for a fair amount of time, and there's plenty of content to get you there (including a lot of stuff tucked away for the explorers out there). Keep in mind that this announcement is just the start as we approach Makeb's launch, you'll see more details about the content coming with Rise of the Hutt Cartel!
Surprise us. Gives us more information now. Or don't you even know yourselves?

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Darth-Rammstein
12.20.2012 , 02:24 AM | #228
Quote: Originally Posted by Knockerz View Post
I didn't know about the free month. You get a free month when you buy MoP?
No, unless it was some special promotion he got.
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Devlonir
12.20.2012 , 02:36 AM | #229
Quote: Originally Posted by DAMossimo View Post
Doesn't really matter what you call it anymore - people are unsubbing over it. I simply consider it sad.
And as with any new announcement ever.. there are also people resubbing over it. Yet, they arent the attention wh*res who feel a need to proclaim it over 5 different avenues when they do.
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Stradlin
12.20.2012 , 02:44 AM | #230
Quote: Originally Posted by Beranzen View Post
So by your logic MoP is a content patch and not a expansion right?
It had a whole new zone to explore, 5 new levels. kinda just like SWTOR....
This is a comparsion you propably don't wanna make. Mists of Pandaria brought new race, new class. Nine new Flashpoints, three new operations. New challenge mode to do them flashpoints with,new warzone, new dumb mini game, new game features.

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we might very well be getting a new WZ, OP, even a new race. simple fact is we don't know yet,
Oh we might! We might also get guild ships and free roaming space moon from sky in our inv and...
At this point, you are free to hope for anything you like. Y

Unlike me, you are feeling optimistic about rise of th Hutt Cartel. Yet, even you end up saying things like " we might very well get a new OP" Does this not bother you at all? You see nothing wrong with this picture? LvL cap is increased so this expansion is aimed to people who have reached end game in TOR. Yet, they speak literally nothing about new end game content being added.

Obviously not everything has been revealed about this " expansion" yet. So I might get proven wrong here. I hope I'm being overly negative, pessimistic about this. It might be Makeb has tons of meat underneath the skin.

...But come on. Launch is less than six months away. Maybe it is reasonable to assume we are about 4 months from being able play it? We don't know all there is to know about this self proclaimed expansion yet. However, at this stage at least Bioware has perfectly accurate picture about it's main features, eah? Yet, they announce a feature listing that looks like this:
  • More adventures in Star Wars Galaxy!
  • You can talk to people!
  • There will be Hutt mobs to kill!!!
  • Lvl cap increase so you can't skip this one, Johnny!
  • We give 99.999% disciount to people who want to play TOR!! People who do not want to play TOR must pay a lot of money for this expansion!!It costts YOU only 10 dollah!! People who do not want it have to pay 10000 dollah!! Thats a fair discount right!!

No mention of new OPs, new flashpoints. They increase lvl cap and so far have not even hinted of anything new to do once you reach it. There is not one single mention or even a hint of new features being added to game. Everything on feature list suggests this is essentally an experience similar to visiting Beslavis. That you have to pay 10 dollah for. Well, Beslavis ofc had class stories advancing.
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Give time for more information to come to us before hitting the boards with meaningless speculation,
There is an official announcment worth of info already available. Does it now make sense people make decisions and speculate based on the info available? Bioware has perfectly accurate picture of what will and will not be in this expansion. Yet, the "big guns" they announce this with are that it is a Planet like Tatooine and that you can do quests in it. It makes sense people calibrate their expectations based on what is and is not said on that page.

Of course, not all there is to reveal has been fevealed yet. I might get proven wrong here. I hope I'm being overly
negative and pessimistic here. It might be Makeb has tons of meat underneath the skin.

Having said that, when feature list of coming expansion looks like this some four months before it's release:

* More adventures in Star Wars Galaxy!

* You can talk to people!

* There will be Hutt mobs to kill!!!

* Lvl cap increase so you can't skip this one, Johnny!

* We give 99.999% disciount to people who want to play TOR!! Peoplewho do not want to play TOR must pay a lot of money for this expansion!!It costts YOU only 10 dollah!! People who do not want it would have to pay 10000 dollah!! Thats fair right!! Like.Steam fair!!!

.....Then I'd say it is wise to start calibrating them expectations.