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The Republic: SWTOR is "Out of Control"

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The Republic: SWTOR is "Out of Control"

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DAMossimo
12.19.2012 , 10:08 AM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by Mazikeen View Post
You mean the 'fiasco' where they made upgrades to HEROIC solo content available via Fleet Commendations, the GTN and the Cartel Market? That one, with three different methods of obtaining the upgrades?

Some of you people seriously need to stop and think before you act. You really do. You're complaining about a business attempting to make money in a way that many others are also doing. Nothing in the Market is P2W, nothing is REQUIRED to play the game (for those of us who sub) and the whole Christmas thing... I'm not anti-Christmas but people need to stop whining when a now-meaningless holiday is no longer celebrated publicly by a company that knows nothing about you.

Christmas is, theoretically, about the celebration of the birth of the 'savior of mankind'. It has turned into a greed-filled, selfish time of the year when companies goad you into spending money that could be used for better purposes and has gotten so bad some people take second and third mortgages on their homes to pay for gifts that mean nothing.

I'm glad they aren't shoving it in our faces. I like the Cartel Market. I think Makeb should cost $10. I'm glad SWTOR has an endgame. I'm glad gear is easier to obtain. I like the character stories, SGRs or not. I do not think 'everything is fine' and I DO think EA/Bioware has made some mistakes. I do not think any of them are game-breaking. I do think some bugs need to be fixed, some balancing needs to be done and some other things need work. I do not think the game is nearly as bad as most of the forum whiners claim, and certainly not worth canceling my sub over.
Your snarky response hasn't swayed my decision. You honesty think I just up and unsubbed because of one single thing? What a foolish assumption!

Your extreme displeasure that I have decided to unsub has been noted though.

Ah. I was going to type out more of a tailored response but I think I'll leave it at that.

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H-aTreD
12.19.2012 , 10:09 AM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by sstanks View Post
thats fine if you think it is too much. Guess what you don't have to buy it. I think BMWs are overpriced but I don't have to buy one. I also don't go to BMW's website and compalin that their cars cost too much and say they are ripping me off.

and??? so they sold them at a loss? what's your point.


But ok you don't like the Veyron analogy switch that with Ferrari. At 200k each thats too much and it is not sold at a loss. So it must be bringing all of (who is it Mercedes that owns them now?) mercedes down.

Really though the fact that it is selling at loss should make me angry because it IS bring VW down then. At least selling the santa mount which cost $0 to make at $18 isn't hurting the company.
Do you have to pay car manufacturers a monthly fee to look at their cars? Oh that's right, you don't.

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Goretzu
12.19.2012 , 10:10 AM | #133
Quote: Originally Posted by sstanks View Post
thats fine if you think it is too much. Guess what you don't have to buy it. I think BMWs are overpriced but I don't have to buy one. I also don't go to BMW's website and compalin that their cars cost too much and say they are ripping me off.

and??? so they sold them at a loss? what's your point.


But ok you don't like the Veyron analogy switch that with Ferrari. At 200k each thats too much and it is not sold at a loss. So it must be bringing all of (who is it Mercedes that owns them now?) mercedes down.

Really though the fact that it is selling at loss should make me angry because it IS bring VW down then. At least selling the santa mount which cost $0 to make at $18 isn't hurting the company.
Again whether something is A rip off is nothing to do with whether I buy it or you buy it, it is simply too highly priced.

A Veyron certainly isn't as it is sold for a LOSS - that is a BARGIN, dispite its price.

Whether something is a bargin or a rip off has nothing to do with whether it hurts or helps a company either (the Veyron helps the company btw, they accept a small loss for a massive benifit in PR, prestige and other sales).

Charging $18.00 for comedy Santa mount does nothing but hurt Bioware EA and SWTOR.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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sstanks
12.19.2012 , 10:13 AM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by H-aTreD View Post
Do you have to pay car manufacturers a monthly fee to look at their cars? Oh that's right, you don't.
... wait what? That makes no sense. You pay Bioware to look at this game?

are you trying to make a statement about the monthly sub?

you do know the game is free 2 play right? so you can play the game for free.

You can even get cartel coins FOR FREE. as in with out spending a dime. So with time and credits you can unlock everything in the game with out spending a dime.

I however can't go to Ferrari and say "Hey can i drive your cars for free?" No I have to give them money. I can look at them for free.

BIoware howver is giving you a game FOR FREE and if I want I could spend money to buy items that HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE GAME. Or I could get it for free either from buying in the GTN or using FREE CARTEL COINS.

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LegendaryBlade
12.19.2012 , 10:15 AM | #135
Kinda want to hop on FFXI for Starlight Celebration, see if they still have that dance off fight. Where you have to do the different /dance commands at the right time to do damage.

I wasted hours getting my Taru Santa outfit
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Goretzu
12.19.2012 , 10:15 AM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by sstanks View Post
You can even get cartel coins FOR FREE. as in with out spending a dime. So with time and credits you can unlock everything in the game with out spending a dime.
This is untrue, you cannot and will not be able to get Makeb with Cartel Coins.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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AsheraII
12.19.2012 , 10:16 AM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
They can reverse the negative tide IMO with a few simple changes, which I have already suggested.

As to the point about life day...it's the holidays. Many games (as far as I am aware) usually hold holiday events. They decided for one reason or another to not hold one here, and I think that wasn't a wise choice.

It gives the impression, IMO, that this is an amateur effort, an unfair image from my perspective.
Oh, just one little thing would shut up all the "we have to pay for Life Day" complaints. And Bioware still has a few days to sort it out.
Next maintenance day is on Christmas day, right? Well, they either won't do a maintenance, or pull it forward to monday. But let's say they do actually have a maintenance update and want to sneak in something to appease the masses. Could be really simple. Just something like:
All players: a mail with some small fun lifeday gift. Make it a moddable adaptive hat or something.
Preferred and Subscripted players: another mail with another fun lifeday gift. A moddable chestpiece with treebranch decorations, reminding of Kashyyyk.
Subscripted players: a pet Ewok, about half the size of a Jawa.

So no event, just a few little gifts.
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sstanks
12.19.2012 , 10:17 AM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Again whether something is A rip off is nothing to do with whether I buy it or you buy it, it is simply too highly priced.

A Veyron certainly isn't as it is sold for a LOSS - that is a BARGIN, dispite its price.

Whether something is a bargin or a rip off has nothing to do with whether it hurts or helps a company either (the Veyron helps the company btw, they accept a small loss for a massive benifit in PR, prestige and other sales).

Charging $18.00 for comedy Santa mount does nothing but hurt Bioware EA and SWTOR.
ok

I see the problem. You don't know what the definition of a rip off is
Quote:
A ripoff (or rip-off) is a bad financial transaction. Usually it refers to an incident in which a person is overcharged for something, or receives goods or services not of the standard expected for the price. A ripoff is usually distinguished from a scam in that a scam involves wrongdoing such as fraud; a ripoff may be considered excessive, but not illegal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripoff

Quote:
rip·off [rip-awf, -of] Show IPA
noun, Slang.
1.an act or instance of ripping off another or others; a theft, cheat, or swindle.
2.exploitation, especially of those who cannot prevent or counter it.
3.a copy or imitation.
4.a person who rips off another or others; thief or swindler.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ripoff

Yes a rip off MUST involve a transaction.

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Jett-Rinn
12.19.2012 , 10:17 AM | #139
There is no difference in paying 18 bucks for a a speeder and 25 bucks for a sparkle pony....except Ganon and the tools at WoWbreaker TV will gush about the sparkle pony.
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sstanks
12.19.2012 , 10:18 AM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
This is untrue, you cannot and will not be able to get Makeb with Cartel Coins.
is Makeb out yet?

also i wouldn't be suprised if they do put it up there eventually perhaps after it has been out for a long time.