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Vanguards Tanks: What you never expected

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Vanguards Tanks: What you never expected

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sanchito
12.18.2012 , 12:10 PM | #11
Sorry i missread, your in tanking stance. The 2 points in battlefield training seem kinda wasted then, should they be in Tactical tools maybe?

Besides that i kinda understand what you try to do, although i'm not sure it's worth the trade offs.

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UGLYMRJ
12.18.2012 , 12:13 PM | #12
I run a 10/31/0 in Ion cylinder and with a Super Commando Offhand, for fun on my PT... while I have put up some impressive numbers from time to time in regulars... 600k damage with 200K protection (topped both stats on both teams) was one of my flashier games. Still... probably not a good tank spec for competitive PvP. (Rated)

And any PT hybrid spec is hardly going to be tanky enough for rated and on top of that... no hybrid will be able to put up the damage that other hybrids can dish out while remaining "tanky" enough. Full tank.... yes.... the PT can take a lot of damage but it's missing the utility that the other tank classes have... as a hybrid... a PT simply is not able to put out the same kind of damage as the other classes while still being tanky enough to mitigate some real damage.

The others can actually be tanks with some substantial DPS... a PT hybrid is either a tank still with horrible damage or it's a DPS with a guard.

Oh.. and the build... yeah... looks good on paper when you spell it out for us. But you're sacrificing a large amount of DPS for very little tankyness.

I'll stick with my 10/31/0 and straight Pyro thanks...

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MatticusFinch
12.18.2012 , 12:14 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by rob_y View Post
I have never played a Vanguard, but why did you spec "Battlefield Training" if you're going to be in Ion Cell the whole time? You could go with "Tactical Tools" or "Containment Tactics" instead.
^ this. Also, what gear are you using? I'm assuming DPS (Combat Tech, most likely).
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Evuo
12.18.2012 , 12:22 PM | #14
This low damage dealing build with massive ammo/overheating issues.

No passive way to recover ammo.
As others have mentioned Battlefield Training is pointless if you are going to always run Ion Cell.
Soldier's Endurance is not worth 3 points for 3% endurance in my opinion.
You did not take Havoc Training, so do not have the critical bonus damage to any of your attacks.

You'll have a tough time killing anybody with that spec, and still won't be able to bring the survivability or utility the other two tank ACs offer.

Also vanguard is not the highest damage dealing tank AC, that belongs to the assassin.

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NickEwok
12.18.2012 , 12:24 PM | #15
You are correct, I had revamped the build for decreased cooldown on harpoon. Thank you. Also this is not the final version of the spec, tweaks can be made which is why I posted the build on the forums. It is just an idea I will be testing. No matter what we build each tank class has its own specialization, this is merely attempting to take a lower rated, non-pvp viable, underplayed class and prove some of its potential. Also Vanguards were capable of high damage until they were nerfed, Ironfist was a good example.
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TheNegotiator
12.18.2012 , 12:29 PM | #16
Does not make much sense to me. You are giving up lots of dps by not finishing out fire pulse...but instead taking 3% health and smoke grenade?

Also you will have trouble maintaining dps without high energy cell running. Can't attack with no cells.

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Nightkin
12.18.2012 , 12:29 PM | #17
The spec is for fun and it actually is kinda funny as long as you focus on being a guardbot.
I have not managed 600k dmg with it but heres an example of 10/31/0 in action,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOzEFL-1bZk

Benny Hill version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ezoGOxpX9o

Never tried rated with this spec though, i would assume jug tanks still rule.
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Evuo
12.18.2012 , 12:37 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by NickEwok View Post
Also Vanguards were capable of high damage until they were nerfed, Ironfist was a good example.
Ironfist is a bad example, that was a tank spec not a damage dealing spec which arguably would not do more damage than 31 points in shield specialist.

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NickEwok
12.18.2012 , 12:44 PM | #19
It did if played correctly. Also i fixed the talent for the decrease cooldown on harpoon. 3% plus endurance is used because the spec is capable of moderate damage, but is not focused around it, which also explains the smoke grenade. If this build were centered around only damage, it would be just another DPS build with no intention of having any tank functionality in which this case Assault/pryo still has top damage in the class.
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NickEwok
12.18.2012 , 12:47 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Evuo View Post
Ironfist is a bad example, that was a tank spec not a damage dealing spec which arguably would not do more damage than 31 points in shield specialist.
There is nothing tanky in regards to PvP in terms of the "shield talents" in the ironfist build which was viable,only in terms of white damage at best. This spec takes away those shielding talents and puts a bit more effort into the dps function while not revolving around it.

Also if you want some sort of passive regen, you can retalent the smoke grenade into the shield cylinder though most attacks are not shielded in PvP. Not sure how effective that would be but I altered the build because you are right about the ammo regen. Thank you for your input. Will need to test to prove efficiency.
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