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So much for not charging subs for Makeb

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So much for not charging subs for Makeb

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fungihoujo
12.18.2012 , 08:08 AM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by DeludedAussie View Post
With what is being added, I cannot see this as an Expansion, it appears to be a mere Content Update, And i REFUSE to pay for it since BW stated and i QUOTE : "Subscribers would never have to pay for Content Updates if we implemented a F2P Model"

You get a single planet. and 5 more levels. Considering how SMALL planets are compared to e.g Continents in WoW, (BC you got outlands, WOTLK, you got Northrend, cata (the smallest) you got that middle place, MoP you got Pandaria) all combined i'd say Vanila WoW's two original contients are larger than all the 'planets' in SWTOR.

Not to mention the ammount of CONTENT in those expansions. New items, 10 levels for the first 2, 5 for the last, New Abilities, New Raids/Dungeons PVP, etc.

Now if you look at this 'CONTENT UPDATE' you will see you get a planet, 5 levels, maybe 4-5 items and a couple of more abilities for your class and thats about it.

TLR It isnt an expansion at all.
How big is this planet then? Do we know how many operations, flashpoints, or if something new pvp-wise is being added?

At this moment- unless you have access to something the rest of us don't- I don't see why this won't have new items, abilities, dungeons and raids- simply put, you and others are whining that BW lied to you about selling content updates- but you yourself are straight out lying about what content will be in this expansion because you do not know.

Also- you're comparing this expansion to expansions that cost, what, 50 bucks or so? Maybe you would prefer they wait until they have 50 bucks worth of content to shove in your face all at once- but some of us would rather pay 10 bucks five times and get the content piece by piece to enjoy slowly.

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DeathDealKill
12.18.2012 , 08:08 AM | #182
Only $10??
I'll take it and run!!
You can't beat it with a new level cap .
If you're that bent on spending $10 then maybe you need to find a 2nd job?
Hell I spend $10 at for a meal at Mcdonalds lol
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Ovan_Oh-One
12.18.2012 , 08:08 AM | #183
"What (if anything) will subscribers have to pay for after F2P launches?

I wish I had a solid answer for you on that. We’re still in discussion about some of the larger content updates that we’re planning. Great example is the planet Makeb. We’ve talked about Makeb, we have a lot of plans around Makeb. I wish I could give you more details, but I can tell you that I think the playerbase is going to be really, really pleased. More story content. New and interesting things for the players to do. More systems and interesting functions in the game … I can’t go into a lot of detail, but around things like that … This is a pretty big piece (of content). It is probably all that I can say. It is definitely still for discussion whether we sell that to the subscriber or the subscriber gets that for free because it is a big beefy chunk of content."

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12.18.2012 , 08:09 AM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
Well since we have never been given a concrete answer to if we would be charged for it or not and up untill this was announced no one was sure. It's good we now now. Either prepare yourself or get over it.
We were sure it would be free.......... up until they said they "might" charge for it.



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However, I'm still smart enough to not make some wild speculation on content size we know little about in the hopes to make my point seem more valid.

Before you doom and gloom and preach on how you were nickle and dimed, it might be best to wait till you actually get more sold info on what is to come.
They've told us how big it will be, what will be in it and what won't be, there's not too much more to know.
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Quraswren
12.18.2012 , 08:10 AM | #185
Now that I think about it.

Given how DCUO sells new power packs, duo's and operation type content as digital expansions for $10.

This deal for SWTOR could be even better given what other things might be in the digital expansion. Guess time will tell though.

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ImperialSun
12.18.2012 , 08:10 AM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by GoldenHornet View Post
Now you're just making stuff up. GW2 has had 3 monthly content patches so far, none of which I've had to pay a single Gem to join in with.
Oh right so you didnt have loot drops from the Halloween event with the only way to access the loot being to pay real world cash for keys via the in game store? Thought so

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DeludedAussie
12.18.2012 , 08:11 AM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by GalenMourne View Post
Anytime an expansion is added to wow they charge for it, level increase included. The "extra content " in wow expansions is dungeons warzones and raids, things that your sub covers and you would never pay for normally. Wow dresses this level increase and new question zones up with new raids, warzones and dungeons you would have gotten anyway from your sub and charges you $40 bucks for it., it is and illusion created to give value that we have all fallen for. Bioware is just charging you for the questing and level increase.
You are kinda right and kinda wrong.

Yes you pay for a wow expansion, HOWEVER your 'subscriptioin' is merely your key to long in and play. Nothing more. WoW doesn't Dress up the level increase, with the ammount of content Blizzard add per expansion you would expect more levels. What blizzard do, is Design everything first, then decide on how many levels to put in. Naturally its 10. but they want to continue expanding the game and dropped it to 5 with a much larger EXP requirement to level. so you get those '10' levels worth of content anyways.

BW is doing exactly what you stated. Charging us for questing and a level increase.. which is no way an expansion. + subbers do continue to pay $15, just like wow, for their Key, Only difference is the F2P aspect in which you now pay $15 for everything unlocked. Before the F2P it was no different to wow. So you are still paying for you sub and BW still charges you for the expansion. Just like WoW, only you are getting a simple planet unlock.

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Devlonir
12.18.2012 , 08:12 AM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
You can perfectly think of making something cost money whilst its in production? Personally I think you're reading into things .

Secondly, there is no knowlingly misselling, there's just selling. Whether they sell it there, or on the cartel market. It will both be sold for the equivalent monetary value. Don't forget, those cartel coins have a monetary value. It's completely up to a store on as to by which payment method they then followingly sell it. Whether that's credit card, game cards, cartel coins, etc.
I think this is more the case. When brought before any court they can basicly say: We did not sell the expansion, we sold the expansion with early access through this cash only avenue. The product we sell on the Cartel Store is a different product as it does not have that early access.

So yeah.. not a strong case if that is the way the law works.
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Goretzu
12.18.2012 , 08:13 AM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
You can perfectly think of making something cost money whilst its in production? Personally I think you're reading into things .

Secondly, there is no knowlingly misselling, there's just selling. Whether they sell it there, or on the cartel market. It will both be sold for the equivalent monetary value. Don't forget, those cartel coins have a monetary value. It's completely up to a store on as to by which payment method they then followingly sell it. Whether that's credit card, game cards, cartel coins, etc.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Devlonir View Post
Is it? Is it against EU consumer selling law to not announce all ways of eventual resale when the first avenue is opened up? I am not schooled in EU consumer law enough to know this. Could be.

At the very least, it is very bad communication.
I think it would fall under misleading advertising and selling, it should at the very least be in the small print somewhere (I haven't seen it).
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Daskillz
12.18.2012 , 08:13 AM | #190
Considering the state of this game now. I'm not pre-ordering this, I will use the expansion to retire and if my guildies give me the ok that it is worth a damn I'll pay the $20 and come back.

Since pvp balance is messed up and every JK/SW goes smash spec for instant win, as well as sages/sorcs going bubble stun spec.

And new content is just making harder versions of old content. I don't have much reason to have faith that an expansion is gonna be what I am looking for.
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