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JoeeyyMagzz
12.14.2012 , 10:05 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Larity View Post
Really? Most CE's were sold out first day.

Most pre-ordered game in a long time.

Good 2 mil sub for a few months.

They made their money back for launching this game fast imo.

They also handled the launch way better then most games I've known and fixed major bugs right away.

Increased server pops to allow more players access to servers at a time.

So yeah, it launched pretty rocky right?
Yes.
Yes.
They never hit 2 mil, it was 1.7 mil at it's peak and they lost 400,000 by the end of February.
Probably not considering server costs, employees, and initial $200mil.
They fixed a lot of bugs, yes, but definitely not all major bugs. You can still see bugs in the Known Issues that have existed since Beta.
They increased server pops to allow for server merges because they lost so many subscribers. I'm sure they appreciate how you tried to turn increased server pops into a good thing, though.
Yes, extremely rocky.

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Ketchum
12.14.2012 , 10:29 PM | #52
I got a title that most players in the game now won't have and a useless but thoughtful pre-order crystal.

I don't expect anything else from BW for me just having been there from the beginning. There's no reason to.
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Kani_Warysia
12.14.2012 , 10:34 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by DAMossimo View Post
InB4 people start chastising about how this is "entitlement".
No matter how you fall on the issue... isn't it entitlement?

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Wyrmsfire
12.14.2012 , 10:50 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by JoeeyyMagzz View Post
Obviously, the awards should be tiered with awards for: 1 month, 2 months, 4 months, 8 months, 12 months, 18 months, 24 months, etc.
Ultima Online does this. And it works. And if I remember correctly, UO is owned by.. EA.
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Kenlonis
12.14.2012 , 11:14 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by JoeeyyMagzz View Post
So, Bioware is really not going to give veterans rewards for this game? With one of the rockiest starts for a game in the last 10 years, you'd think that they would at least show their appreciation to everyone that stuck by them. Instead, Bioware is making us pay for items to create "our own" Life Day event.... Oh wait, they did give us a stack of FIREWORKS!!!! YAY!!

I have been a CE owner since July 2011 and a paying subscriber since the game's first day of Early Access. The only thing I feel like I'm getting is continuously screwed. The sad part is that I honestly love the game, so I don't want to quit just because the Developers could give a rats *** about a loyal subscribers like myself.

Now, I'm not usually one to complain about not receiving something just because I'm helping pay the company bills, but I really do think it's about time that Bioware shows its appreciation for the subscribers and previous subscribers. Players should be able to openly display how long they have been supporting this game... and yes, I do mean brag. Obviously, the awards should be tiered with awards for: 1 month, 2 months, 4 months, 8 months, 12 months, 18 months, 24 months, etc.
All i got from that was BLAH BLAH BLAH Entitled... BLAH BLAH BLAH so Entitled...BLAH BLAH BLAH give me stuff cause i am Entitled and feel i deserve it... BLAH BLAH BLAH..

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DAMossimo
12.14.2012 , 11:23 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Kani_Warysia View Post
No matter how you fall on the issue... isn't it entitlement?
No, I don't think asking for a title after paying a continuous sub for an entire year could be construed as "entitlement".

Especially when titles are handed out like candy in the CS & for every otther little event you pass during gameplay.

Is it needed? no. Is it being demanded? no. This thread just brought up the subject for discussion.

Some of these childish posts (not yours - the BLAH BLAH BLAH one comes to mind) against it are just uncalled for.

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Kani_Warysia
12.14.2012 , 11:26 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by DAMossimo View Post
No, I don't think asking for a title after paying a continuous sub for an entire year could be construed as "entitlement".

Especially when titles are handed out like candy in the CS & for every otther little event you pass during gameplay.

Is it needed? no. Is it being demanded? no. This thread just brought up the subject for discussion.

Some of these childish posts (not yours - the BLAH BLAH BLAH one comes to mind) against it are just uncalled for.
I am all for vet rewards, but with that said, it is basicaly an entitlement for being a vet.

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mokkh
12.14.2012 , 11:27 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Devlonir View Post
- Free Cartel Coins
- Party Jawa
- Founder title for those who were really here from the start
- Other free pets earlier on that nobody will receive anymore now.
-The cartel coins weren't "free" anymore than the ones you get now with subscription are, they are part of the subscription and at 150/month compared to the 500/month now it was well... not generous but who cares the cartel market is all fluff to a subscriber.

-Destroyed all my party jawas, they take up an inventory slot and the music stops after 30 secs. Like the no weapons fighting mechanics (jab, uppercut, etc.) it has zero use in the game and makes zero sense to have spent development time on it.

-You listed a title and were serious about it, hmm.

-Pets are all garbage, useless artifacts from WoW that I really wish weren't in the game to begin with but I digress.

Veterans' Rewards in EQ1 (a game that came out in 1999 and is currently "f2p"):

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First Year: Lesson of the Devoted - Gain double experience for 30 minutes. Refreshes every 20 hours.

Second Year: Infusion of the Faithful - Maximum resistances and stats and a faster run speed for 15 minutes. Refreshes every 20 hours.

Third Year: Chaotic Jester - You can summon a Bristlebane Halfling that lasts for 15 minutes. He randomly casts spells that can either benefit or penalize. He constantly cracks annoying jokes too!

Fourth Year: Expedient Recover - All of your corpses can be summoned and you will be given 100% of the lost experience back as part of the resurrection unless they are too old. Refreshes once per week.

Fifth Year: Steadfast Servant - Summon a NPC that will cast healing spells on you and any near players for 30 minutes. Refreshes every 20 hours.

Sixth Year: Staunch Recovery - Fully healed with health, mana, and endurance. Refreshes every 3 days.

Seventh Year: Intensity of the Resolute - Increases your melee abilities, spells, and heals for 1 minute. Refreshes every 4 hours.

Eigth Year: Throne of Heroes - Teleport to the Guild Lobby. Refreshes every 3 days.

Ninth Year: Armor of Experience - A four layered protection from 100% to 25%, each layer absorbing 10 hits until it moves to the next layer. Refreshes every 20 hours.

Tenth Year: Summon Resupply Agent - A Merchant is summoned to your side who will sell supplies and buy your loot off you. He remains up for 10 minutes or until you get rid of him. Refreshes every 20 hours.

Eleventh Year: Summon Clockwork Banker - A Banker is summoned to your side.

Twelvth Year: Summon Permutation Peddler - A Augmentation Distiller Vendor is summoned to your side. Refreshes every 20 hours.

Thirteenth Year: Summon Tribute Master - A Tribute Master is summoned to your side. Refreshes every 20 hours.

Fourteenth Year: Blessing of the Devoted - A passive ability which reduces the time required between uses of your Veteran's Rewards by 25%.
None of the above are gamebreaking and only add an extra utility to a player that has been loyal to the game. Arguably, how is it that Sony is more "generous" than EA? Just sayin' there should be something useful that adds to the gameplay not just fluff, each one of those are unlocked after 12 months of subscription time had passed. For those 14 year people at $180 a year (assuming the standard 14.99 plan) that's $2520 in sub fees alone not even counting the cost of their myriad expacs. This isn't about entitlement, perks like those could actually make some people want to stay subscribed. Instead they are opting for the fast cash injection method and losing out on possible gains from both ends of their playerbase.

tl,dr: I'm not complaining and I don't feel entitled. It would be nice if they added something useful to those who have done the time and stuck it out with their company. Doesn't have to be super special crap, just something useful that enhances gameplay for the characters on your account. [pets, titles, party jawas (another pet I might add) do not enhance anything other than lag on the fleet during peak hours]

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Goretzu
12.15.2012 , 03:51 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by monkgryphon View Post
Those comparisons mean nil. If you think another game does something better, so what? If it's enough to draw you to that other game, then what are you doing here?

These boards are for this game, not for comparing it to other games. Do you go to a foreign country and expect everything to be the same as your home? If it's different, do you complain and whine and then demand you get exactly the same as you did at home?

Those companies mean everything.

If every other MMORPG does something and has for years and SWTOR does something much less, then it is BELOW THE INDUSTRY STANDARD.

And SWTOR being that is every concern to every player of this game (and the Devs too).

Never mind that what they have done is very poor in the context of 1 year rewards and a complete ripoff in the context of Life Day.
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Lunafox
12.15.2012 , 04:06 AM | #60
On SWG subscribers would get a present each month, and it was always something cool and interesting. SWOTOR is just starting to depress me now. Who's running it? A bunch of grinches?
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