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I'm excited that there's new stuff, don't get me wrong... But what's the point of having a separate Cartel Pack if you can get the same exact stuff that you do in the Crime Lord's?

 

Two of my packs Included the Energy Torso + A banner or speeder which I don't think should be the case. (I kept enough coins from the first set for this.) RIGHT IN THE DESCRIPTION IT STATES: This Pack Contains Rare Bonus Items NOT Found in Any Other Cartel Market Pack. <<<<<<<<<<<<<< This is not 100% accurate and sure as hell is false advertising.

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It's actually not, it does have items you can't get in the other packs, as well as the items that you can get. Confusing, but not false advertising.

 

My only problem thus far is a ship droid customization that is bound. I got it on my empire toon through the pack, but its for C2-N2, making it utterly useless. If it was bind on legacy, not a problem. But as it is, I can't trade it, I can't sell it, I might as well delete it

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It's actually not, it does have items you can't get in the other packs, as well as the items that you can get. Confusing, but not false advertising.

 

My only problem thus far is a ship droid customization that is bound. I got it on my empire toon through the pack, but its for C2-N2, making it utterly useless. If it was bind on legacy, not a problem. But as it is, I can't trade it, I can't sell it, I might as well delete it

 

Well actually it should say "can contain" instead it specifically says " Each pack contains rare bonus items found nowhere else!"

 

lol I got opposite Imp customization on my Jedi.

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"False advertising or deceptive advertising is the use of false or misleading statements in advertising. As advertising has the potential to persuade people into commercial transactions that they might otherwise avoid, many governments around the world use regulations to control false, deceptive or misleading advertising. "Truth" refers to essentially the same concept, that customers have the right to know what they are buying, and that all necessary information should be on the label"

 

Yes. It is False Advertising if it doesn't state that the new product isn't guaranteed. What they have written deceptively insinuates that the new stuff is in there when in fact it's just a *chance* to be in there.

 

I also got a ship droid customization for the opposite faction that isn't tradeable.

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"False advertising or deceptive advertising is the use of false or misleading statements in advertising. As advertising has the potential to persuade people into commercial transactions that they might otherwise avoid, many governments around the world use regulations to control false, deceptive or misleading advertising. "Truth" refers to essentially the same concept, that customers have the right to know what they are buying, and that all necessary information should be on the label"

 

Yes. It is False Advertising if it doesn't state that the new product isn't guaranteed. What they have written deceptively insinuates that the new stuff is in there when in fact it's just a *chance* to be in there.

There's only one problem with your argument. You are NOT buying Blockade Runner packs with your $$$. You are buying Cartel Coins with your $$$. Once your $$$ is converted to Cartel Coins, no false advertising law is going to protect you (crappy yes but truthful). You get exactly what you expect to get with your $$$, Cartel Coins. Nothing else.

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Everyone skips the word Bonus these days, huh?

 

What if a piece of gear promised on the label to give you +10 strength? What if you equipped it on your character, got up from your computer, and discovered that you were exactly as strong as before? Or *less* from melting in front of a machine? Rageeee? No. Because, even though it is in no way stated anywhere on the in-game gear, it is implied that the language of the promise is within the context in which the promise is given.

 

That is to say, "there's a mechanic that we assume you understand. If you did not understand it, this item and its description text can not be expected to be meaningful. Within your understanding of the mechanic, we provide the following."

 

As has been made amply clear, cartel packs contain "bonus" items. These are extra items (that's what a bonus is) that occur rarely.

 

The packs you refer to contain bonus items, per the cartel packs mechanic. The bonus items that are associated with this new pack are not the bonus items associated with any other packs.

 

Assuming, of course, that the word Bonus is clear.

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Everyone skips the word Bonus these days, huh?

 

What if a piece of gear promised on the label to give you +10 strength? What if you equipped it on your character, got up from your computer, and discovered that you were exactly as strong as before? Or *less* from melting in front of a machine? Rageeee? No. Because, even though it is in no way stated anywhere on the in-game gear, it is implied that the language of the promise is within the context in which the promise is given.

 

That is to say, "there's a mechanic that we assume you understand. If you did not understand it, this item and its description text can not be expected to be meaningful. Within your understanding of the mechanic, we provide the following."

 

As has been made amply clear, cartel packs contain "bonus" items. These are extra items (that's what a bonus is) that occur rarely.

 

The packs you refer to contain bonus items, per the cartel packs mechanic. The bonus items that are associated with this new pack are not the bonus items associated with any other packs.

 

Assuming, of course, that the word Bonus is clear.

 

Except the Cartel Shop description does not say "Chance of Bonus Items", it says "Two Rare bonus items with a chance of Super Rare" which means there should be two rare items in each pack to begin with.

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The problem is that there was an assumption based on what was discussed about these packs that since the packs were limited time only, that the items contained in them would not be items that were found in the other packs, meaning... you don't get OTHER pack items in the Life Day packs... so the Life Day packs contained only items added for Life Day.

 

if I wanted Life Day items, I would buy the Life Day packs. If I wanted "normal" pack items, I would buy the normal pack. That is the assumption based on what the devs told us, as to how the Life Day packs worked.

 

Obviously it was an incorrect and frustrating assumption.

 

However I am more frustrated that certain items found in these packs are not tradeable and are bound to the player automatically.

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The problem is that there was an assumption based on what was discussed about these packs that since the packs were limited time only, that the items contained in them would not be items that were found in the other packs, meaning... you don't get OTHER pack items in the Life Day packs... so the Life Day packs contained only items added for Life Day.

 

if I wanted Life Day items, I would buy the Life Day packs. If I wanted "normal" pack items, I would buy the normal pack. That is the assumption based on what the devs told us, as to how the Life Day packs worked.

 

Obviously it was an incorrect and frustrating assumption.

 

However I am more frustrated that certain items found in these packs are not tradeable and are bound to the player automatically.

 

I'm more frustrated that if you look in the cartel market under the Blockade Runner's Cartel pack, it specifically states that it contains items found only in that pack and no where else. It does not say "MAY" contain items or "Chance of" new items. Anyone who looks at the description and thinks they will have a guaranteed new item in the pack is gravely mistaken.

 

That is deception at its finest on Bioware's behalf.

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Lmao, it says the packs contain items that aren't in the other packs...and they do. You could have done a little research before you spent your money but, instead, you jumped right in and bought packs not even understanding what you were buying. Get a grip.
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I'm more frustrated that if you look in the cartel market under the Blockade Runner's Cartel pack, it specifically states that it contains items found only in that pack and no where else. It does not say "MAY" contain items or "Chance of" new items. Anyone who looks at the description and thinks they will have a guaranteed new item in the pack is gravely mistaken.

 

That is deception at its finest on Bioware's behalf.

 

:rolleyes: Seriously??

 

The deception is inside you. They did not say contains only items unique to the BR Pack. They simply said that there is a chance for items unique to the BR Pack in the BR Pack.

 

It's not their fault you do not comprehend what was written. You put "only" in there all by yourself.

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:rolleyes: Seriously??

 

The deception is inside you. They did not say contains only items unique to the BR Pack. They simply said that there are items unique to the BR Pack in the BR Pack.

 

It's not their fault you do not comprehend what was written. You put "only" in there all by yourself.

 

Here's the Photographic Proof.

 

Do you have difficulty reading that? It specifically states what I said. So yes, it is stated in game that THAT SPECIFIC PACK contains items not in other packs.

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Here's the Photographic Proof.

 

Do you have difficulty reading that? It specifically states what I said.

 

NO, but apparently do. I read it one way, you read it another way. It's a chance pack. So you have a chance for what is listed in your precious jpeg. NOT a guarantee. If you read that as a guarantee.. that's on you.

 

By the way.... chance packs are a bad way to spend coins IMO. Better to just wait a week or two and scoop up the items you want off the GTN.

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NO, but apparently do. I read it one way, you read it another way. It's a chance pack. So you have a chance for what is listed in your precious jpeg. NOT a guarantee. If you read that as a guarantee.. that's on you.

 

Are you really that thickheaded? Go read up on False Advertising and get back to me. It if were a CHANCE it should be written as such so that the buyer knows what they're getting into.

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My only problem thus far is a ship droid customization that is bound. I got it on my empire toon through the pack, but its for C2-N2, making it utterly useless. If it was bind on legacy, not a problem. But as it is, I can't trade it, I can't sell it, I might as well delete it

Most likely this is BoE, and you need to wait for the timer to run down on it. Or is there no timer, and it's just bound to you?

 

I pulled the Royal Longspur STAP. It looks like my CE STAP, but with C-3PO's chest on the front. I hadn't seen that before, so it's probably one of those "rare items not found in other packs."

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Geez, I'd make a comment on the false advertising argument here, but that's not why I was coming to post.

 

I just submitted the following ticket:

 

"Not entirely sure what category that this would go under, but I just opened a Blockade Runner's Cartel Pack and did not seem to get any rare items in it - instead I got customizations for both ship droid types (2V-R8 and C2-N2), and artifact level companion gift (Memoir of the Unification Wars), 10x Perfect Yellow Crystal, and a Minor Social Boost.

 

At first I took the customizations to be the rares for the pack, but others in chat reported that they seemed to be very common. Both customizations were just straight out bound to me (which is bl**dy useless, as I can't even send the C2-N2 customization to one of my republic alts), without a timer saying that they'd become unbound later.

 

In short, I don't feel this was worth the 360 cartel coins I spent, and I'm pretty sure the complete bind of the customizations is a bug. (If they ARE supposed to be rares for the pack, it's pretty dismal to get BOTH at once without being able to send the opposite side customization to where it can actually be used.)"

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Are you really that thickheaded? Go read up on False Advertising and get back to me. It if were a CHANCE it should be written as such so that the buyer knows what they're getting into.

 

Have you consulted with your attorney yet? If so, I'd like to see a copy of the law suit you are filing.

 

Right... that's what I thought. :)

 

Next.

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My only problem thus far is a ship droid customization that is bound. I got it on my empire toon through the pack, but its for C2-N2, making it utterly useless. If it was bind on legacy, not a problem. But as it is, I can't trade it, I can't sell it, I might as well delete it

 

Was going to say the same thing. My rep character got the imperial version of the item, but it's bound (with no countdown clock like other Cartel items). I'm going to hold on to it for a while, in hopes they patch it to bind on legacy or something.

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Have you consulted with your attorney yet? If so, I'd like to see a copy of the law suit you are filing.

 

Right... that's what I thought. :)

 

Next.

 

It's already been reported to Consumer Affairs, why bother bringing up something to a lawyer for 5 bucks? Your internet Snarkiness never ceases to amaze me though, Andryah. If you're okay with Bioware misleading people, that's on you.

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It's already been reported to Consumer Affairs, why bother bringing up something to a lawyer for 5 bucks? Your internet Snarkiness never ceases to amaze me though, Andryah. If you're okay with Bioware misleading people, that's on you.

 

People mislead themselves. Bioware has been clear since day 1 that the packs are chance items.

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It may just be luck of the draw or somwthing, but I have noticed I got way cooler stuff in this pack then the Crime Lords cartel pack. The only thing is that the crafting goods are always those annoying yellow, orange, and lorrdian crystals. They dont sell cuz everybody has them, and I am a biochem specialist, so I assume these crystals would be important to someone like artifice. Are there any rare biochem crafting mats? Or just the ones that were before these cartel packs?
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It's already been reported to Consumer Affairs, why bother bringing up something to a lawyer for 5 bucks? Your internet Snarkiness never ceases to amaze me though, Andryah. If you're okay with Bioware misleading people, that's on you.

 

You can't convince a fanboy or tell them they're wrong. They're just that blind, and will argue till even after it is all over and done with, and makes no sense anymore.

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