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Shocking truths about premades in Normal Warzones.

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Shocking truths about premades in Normal Warzones.

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Pvtcarnage
12.12.2012 , 12:56 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Jadescythe View Post
FYI to the crowd advocating for better geared players to do ranked: Ranked warzones are not meant to separate the good from the bad, they are meant to separate the good from the great.

Please stop complaining that there are good players in your warzones and work to get the community as a whole to step their game up. There is too much blame being placed on those who play the game correctly (i.e. playing their class to potential, focusing on objectives, etc) and it leads to the community fostering a philosophy of mediocrity, which leads to a continuous cycle of everyone on your PUG team being terrible and the calls for separate queues to increase.
What he says, or see my sig
"Equality is a perversion of the natural order!ÖIt binds the strong to the weak. They [the weak] become anchors that drag the exceptional down to mediocrity. Individuals destined and deserving of greatness have it denied them.
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Boyana
12.12.2012 , 01:09 PM | #72
As far as I know, on ToFN, there are some premades that love to queue up together in order to get 8-man premade.

As for the OP, not sure what is the point of this thread and I am trying to see the both sides of this story. The truth is, making the model of matching premades against premades can not hurt you nor your guild. You said yourself, you do not like to win against 14k players, so this would be the perfect way to assure fun for both sides.

Also, about Voice Chat..it would be silly for the people who play rated together for couple of month to even need a Voice Chat for normal warzones. You guys should already know every move of each other.

Long story short: I do not care just wanted to make a comment and be cool.

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FatEdd
12.13.2012 , 03:13 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Debaucher View Post
Greetings fellow players. I have a lvl 50 sawbones, assault vanguard and a marksman sniper on the Tomb of Freedom Nadd server. I definitely am not the best scoundrel healer around, but i consider myself to be above average in terms of skill and understanding the game mechanics.

On the said server there are 4 competitive PvP guilds per faction more or less, who do both normals and ranked. So, its likely you ll get a ranked wz pop during peak hours at least.

So, why do we even join the normal q you will ask ? To begin with, some days we just lack a certain key class/cannot get a proper set up. Unfortunately, you simply cannot get a Commando to dps, you cannot q and hope to win without a shadow defending west and definitely need a sage for the bubbles. Long story short, ranked warzones team set up is greatly influenced by some "metagame rules" and ofcourse FoTM. Lets face it, one joins a PvP oriented guild in order to win ranked warzones.
Also, atleast in ToFN the pvp guilds more or less know if and when the other guild/guilds are going to form a team. Obviously theres no point in keeping your team up and waiting if you know noone is gonna q.

Obviously even if subs are actually going up it gets harder to recruit players who have both the skill and knowledge to play at a "competitive" level. Therefore, there is only one solution left, and thats normals.

Now. Do "hardcore elite facerolling and so on" guilds enjoy facerolling undergeared PUGS? Answer is obviously NO. Do we enjoy getting in warzones to see 4 green 14k recruits ? NO. Do we enjoy losing a game because the enemy premade got better randoms while ours are incompetent? NO. This isn't how PvP should be. Fyi hardcore pvping comes with the proper mentality. True pvpers don't qq about OP classes and gain satisfaction not from winning, but from winning the very best opposition.

Lets face it, PvP endgame is supposed to be Ranked Warzones. Sadly, its really hard to set up, given of course you intend to do it properly, since there is no real incentive for people to play. Personally i 've slacked plenty of times, choosing a good pint over ranked. Therefore, on plenty of cases, normal warzones is whats left.

There is also a double standard about premades. I have yet to see one of those self called "casual" players whine because he got teamed up with a premade, that in the end gave him an easy win. I think that your problem is not that premades are making PvP unfair, since an effortless win should annoy you equally. Its only the defeats that seem to brake the game. Please. I 've soloqd a bit during the past few weeks and i dare say there were plenty of games where 3 out of 4 participants were undergeared.

Now, about that 4 man ranked stupidity thats lurking around. You ppl being for it, merely choose to have Bioware place the problem on somebody elses lap, since the maps atm are not designed for 4v4 matches. It will more likely completely brake PvP instead of fixing it.

Last but not least. Atleast the premades i run do not capitalise on voice communication in order to win. We may or may not be on our Teamspeak server, but most of the times we win because we observe the battlefield and use common sense before using an ability. (Observation test: How many times did you bother pressing Map hotkey, check your weak node defenders name and keep an eye on his Healthbar on the Raidframe? This way you need not rely on him reporting INC. You just either report it yourself or move to help him on ur own. This wins games.)

Bottomline, in my opinion forcing people to not play with their mates in a MMO is just plain wrong and it will solve nothing. Even if players were allowed only to solo q for normals, then these very forums would flood with OMG NABS EVERYWHERE threads asking for another solution. The only way that might actually work is making ranked easier to set up by properly addresing class balance and perhaps giving players an incentive to play ranked (Perhaps mods/enhancements to make maxing easier after a certain rating for comms/credits - just an idea).

PS : Is it true that the SW:TOR PvP team is the one who came up with the bombing spec for Bright Wizards on WaR? You ppl actually managed to make something even worse. Congratulations.
? Unfortunately, you simply cannot get a Commando to dps ?,

I say go and ask a chap called Zacharyus on The Shadowlands server, I think that is how his name is spelt, but I think he may kind of put your theory in a cupboard to fester. The guy is a DPS animal as a Mando, the best I have ever seen, he has all the tricks up his sleeve, knows that class like the back of his hand and he knows it. But he is a one off, but get a group of Mandos with Sages, and you can pretty much kiss your ace goodbye, the same applies if you have a group of Mercs with Sorcers/Operatives, again not such an easy task for any group going up against it if they are well drilled and know their classes. So it can be done, I have seen it done, Mandos with Sages groups, almost impossible to beat, not to be underestimated, and like I say, the same goes for if you have a group of well geared Mercs with Sorcers/Operatives.

Not to say that the Mando and Merc do need something to make both classes actually on par with the other classes, but I tip my hat to Mercs and Mandos for sticking it out, it shows you what a real PVPer looks like.

Cheers

FatEdd

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vengefuler
12.13.2012 , 04:10 AM | #74
premades should come against pug so they will feel better and skilled

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Aricin
12.13.2012 , 05:23 AM | #75
I normally never post here, but had to now.

Calling total BS on OP. Then queue up solo. You and your mates will likely be spread across both teams. Problems solved.

Dress it up all you want. If you really cared about competitive play then donít queue up as a group for non-ranked.

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Theodulus
12.13.2012 , 11:21 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by FatEdd View Post
? Unfortunately, you simply cannot get a Commando to dps ?,

I say go and ask a chap called Zacharyus on The Shadowlands server, I think that is how his name is spelt, but I think he may kind of put your theory in a cupboard to fester. The guy is a DPS animal as a Mando, the best I have ever seen, he has all the tricks up his sleeve, knows that class like the back of his hand and he knows it. But he is a one off, but get a group of Mandos with Sages, and you can pretty much kiss your ace goodbye, the same applies if you have a group of Mercs with Sorcers/Operatives, again not such an easy task for any group going up against it if they are well drilled and know their classes. So it can be done, I have seen it done, Mandos with Sages groups, almost impossible to beat, not to be underestimated, and like I say, the same goes for if you have a group of well geared Mercs with Sorcers/Operatives.

Not to say that the Mando and Merc do need something to make both classes actually on par with the other classes, but I tip my hat to Mercs and Mandos for sticking it out, it shows you what a real PVPer looks like.

Cheers

FatEdd
Yeah I enjoy his videos too. I kind of want that that cloak of invisibility and immortality it seems he has. I guess it comes from being pure awesome and killing those marauders that think that huge cannon equals a free kill. I especially enjoyed his latest video where a marauder kept getting owned and cried about it in /say the entire match.