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Mandalorians (Controversy)


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Rikalonius
12.08.2012 , 09:39 PM | #31
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You can't get the drop on someone who can see the future.
Lot of good that did Luke when that trap door opened, eh?

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Rikalonius
12.08.2012 , 09:42 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
They only couldn't sense it, because Sidious was blocking them.
Please show me in the FILM where it espouses that? That is purely fanboi apology. And people want to use the pejorative fandalorians, Jedi fanbois make us look well adjusted.

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Aurbere
12.08.2012 , 10:25 PM | #33
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Please show me in the FILM where it espouses that? That is purely fanboi apology. And people want to use the pejorative fandalorians, Jedi fanbois make us look well adjusted.
Master Yoda and Mace Windu point that out plenty of times during the films.
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Wolfninjajedi
12.09.2012 , 01:07 PM | #34
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Master Yoda and Mace Windu point that out plenty of times during the films.
^ That.
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darthnamel
12.09.2012 , 02:15 PM | #35
Why did a Mandalorian thread shift back to what the jedi can do. I would rather stick to the cultural stand point that Mandalorians are just hated because the Jedi fanboys want there Iconic Always Right Masters to seem like perfect beings. But that's a laugh, Don't get me wrong I like the sith and Jedi, but I would rather side with normal people than someone that can touch my mind without me knowing. I wouldn't trust any force using sect. I am for people like Daala and Fett that say never arm the jedi. Put them on a nice little course for the Maw cluster. Thrawn fans should argree , That Thrawn would have won against the Vong. Jedi are not infallible, they have their limits. If you don't like that ignore my post. Mandalorians aren't Mary Sue, the jedi need more than the Sith to face them.

Oh and don't forget that the Mandalore in the Rebellion era worked with Leia. And they even worked with a jedi during the Vong war. I just wish we as fans can have some common ground. Logically Jedi beat Mandaorians, force helps, but an Veteran Mando can distract a Master. Read Darth Plaguis, Plagius almost died from NORMAL assassins.

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JacenHallis
12.09.2012 , 02:57 PM | #36
Peronally, I'm not a mandalorian hater. I am, however, a "Fett hater," but that's because I cannot see how a character so completely inept at his job in the movies blows up so huge because he has armor that's kind of cool. That is, of course, Boba Fett. His lone saving grace in the movies was his ability to follow the Millennium Falcon by doing pretty much the same thing Han did to escape the Star Destroyers chasing him. After that, it was all a matter of calling up Vader to let him do all the "hard work" in catching Han. Return was even worse, as he constantly made poor tactical decisions that resulted in his falling to his death in the sarlacc.

Of course, his cultish popularity resulted in the EU's having him escape from death. He wasn't the first, and I'm sure he won't be the last for that to happen.

In regards to Karen Traviss, though, what I take exception to is not her idea of Mandalorians, because the warrior culture is okay, and having someone (even if it is Boba Fett) bring that back is a good idea. What's not good is the way she characterizes the Jedi in those books. It seemed that, in Traviss' mind, the Jedi really existed at the whim of the Mandalorians. As if Luke's New Jedi Order only came about because the Mandalorians hadn't deigned it necessary to stop it. The absolute worst example of this is Revelation. Jaina is characterized as a bumbling moron in that book, while the Mandalorians sit by and laugh at her idiocy.

The Mandos themselves aren't really the problem. It's the way that they got built up at the expense of other people. It's like Traviss and her "fandalorians" couldn't understand that Mandalorians can be cool as well as Jedi. And that Mandalorians are even cooler if their "prey" are actually intelligent beings.
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Sacharino
12.09.2012 , 03:37 PM | #37
Our friendly neighbourhood Hk 47 gave a few tips on how to kill a jedi in kotor 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPeI4mX8Nus

Conclusion : Jedi aren't invincible and may even seem vulnerable from a certain point of view.

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Wolfninjajedi
12.09.2012 , 03:52 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Sacharino View Post
Our friendly neighbourhood Hk 47 gave a few tips on how to kill a jedi in kotor 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPeI4mX8Nus

Conclusion : Jedi aren't invincible and may even seem vulnerable from a certain point of view.
As I recall somewhere, those tips are a bunch of nonsense.
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Sacharino
12.09.2012 , 04:00 PM | #39
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As I recall somewhere, those tips are a bunch of nonsense.
Can you recall why it was a bunch of nonsense?

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Wolfninjajedi
12.09.2012 , 04:23 PM | #40
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Can you recall why it was a bunch of nonsense?
I think it was pre-forum wipe it was, but i'll go through what he says and put it out there.
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Blasters- Pretty much already stated, a stupid idea to run at a jedi with one.

Grenades/Mines= Can't really work here, being that jedi can sense danger so mines won't work. Grenades...those can just be force pushed back or away or just avoided, they have a timer of them so you wouldn't really be able to actually have them set off before they are tossed away or whatever.

Gas Attacks= Pretty much stated as already being ineffective.

Energy Shields= While they would work well against lightsabers, they wouldn't work against The Force. The jedi could just crush the shield device that is placed on their opponent thus no shield.

Sniping/Cover= Again..pretty ineffective, due to jedi being able to sense danger and those around them.

Indirectly Attacking= Putting their allies in danger, while it can be effective its not like the jedi can't protect them and their self. Again it can be effective, but it would really depend on what kind of danger their allies would be in.

Orbital Bombardment= This really would be the only sure fire way to actually kill any of them, because the radius of bombardments could be very wide and deadly, but then this isn't really actual combat.

Detection/Hiding their minds= Ya..no The Force is in everyone, meaning it doesn't matter if someone doesn't believe in The Force or doesn't use it. They can be sensed all the same, as for hiding minds...that I can't seem to recall if it was ever disproven as an actual ability that worked effectively or what i'll let someone else take a stab at that.

Overwhelming Odds= Now this has been proven to work, however it only worked because the Jedi were blinded by Sidious as they were fighting and weren't able to react in time to defend themselves properly. That isn't to say if the jedi weren't blinded that they would be able to win, but if they weren't blinded they would have been aware of the danger sooner and had more proper time to defend themselves or run away.
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So really 1 attack could work(Orbital Bombardment)

2 attacks are maybe(Overwhelming Odds/Indirect Attack)

1 of which isn't really fighting them, the other 2 there are too many variables in the situation to see if they would actually work.
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