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NO Addons please. There is another solution!

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Slackfumasta

01.20.2012 , 10:41 AM \| #351	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Morninglory If only it were that easy but eventually if you want to participate in endgame you'll have to use them or you won't be allowed to raid...they are unnecessary, they take the skill out off the game and imo only lazy people who want to press one button while they watch something on tv as they raid want addons. Completely incorrect. Addons do not move you out of the fire. Addons do not interrupt boss abilities. Addons do not pick targets to heal. Addons do not pick the target you need to burn down. In short, addons do not allow you to watch TV while raiding. Quit spreading incorrect information about addons.

ZeroPlus

01.20.2012 , 10:57 AM \| #352	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Makais ... As for the meters, I have a suggestion: an <End Flashpoint/Operation Report>, just like in the end of Warzones. Voil�, you can consult who's doing their jobs right. DPS, Healing, Protection, MVP vote also (why not?)... It's all there. +1 Funny how a great suggestion in the very FIRST post got drowned out in the usual add-ons debate. The above suggestion would give the "I want to improve myself so I need add-ons" crowd what they want. Or would it?
If you seek answers, you must always ask questions. - Master Vandar Tokare. [Suggestion] Add another Blaster Pistol with the "A-300 Heavy Sonic Needler" model = DONE!

Slackfumasta

01.20.2012 , 11:02 AM \| #353	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by ZeroPlus +1 Funny how a great suggestion in the very FIRST post got drowned out in the usual add-ons debate. The above suggestion would give the "I want to improve myself so I need add-ons" crowd what they want. Or would it? Actually, it wouldn't. Total damage means nothing, as anybody who PvPs or has played any other MMO could tell you.

Tenthletter

01.20.2012 , 11:05 AM \| #354	Quote
I love the people using Gearscore as their reasoning for no Addons. You do realize that WoW implemented Gearscore into the game right? You cannot queue for certain dungeons unless your average ilvl is a certain threshold. It ensures that your character is geared enough to not be a liability in the dungeon. Even this system can be gamed however, by using pvp gear, or higher ilvl gear that is not proper for your class (it looks at the best item in your inventory for each slot, so for example a Mage could have a Leather Agility Helmet of high ilvl and a Green Int Helm of a low ilvl and it would count the leather item for purposes of dungeon entry.) The tool is not perfect, but it does its job well in most cases. Gearscore did this exact same thing but assigned an arbitrary number to your gear and gems/enchants instead of just taking the average ilvl. It also did its job well, provided the raid leader used it properly, which most people did not. Gearscore is no longer used in WoW because it is no longer needed, WoW has a version of it in the game already. In short, you cannot blame addons for their misuse or abuse by players. Using this abuse as a basis to not have them in the game at all is asinine. I suppose we should ban hammers as well because some nutcase in Alabama bludgeoned his wife to death with one. Clearly the hammer is the problem, not the psychotic wielding it.

Whatsalightsaver

01.20.2012 , 11:08 AM \| #355	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Tenthletter I love the people using Gearscore as their reasoning for no Addons. You do realize that WoW implemented Gearscore into the game right? You cannot queue for certain dungeons unless your average ilvl is a certain threshold. It ensures that your character is geared enough to not be a liability in the dungeon. Even this system can be gamed however, by using pvp gear, or higher ilvl gear that is not proper for your class (it looks at the best item in your inventory for each slot, so for example a Mage could have a Leather Agility Helmet of high ilvl and a Green Int Helm of a low ilvl and it would count the leather item for purposes of dungeon entry.) The tool is not perfect, but it does its job well in most cases. Gearscore did this exact same thing but assigned an arbitrary number to your gear and gems/enchants instead of just taking the average ilvl. It also did its job well, provided the raid leader used it properly, which most people did not. Gearscore is no longer used in WoW because it is no longer needed, WoW has a version of it in the game already. In short, you cannot blame addons for their misuse or abuse by players. Using this abuse as a basis to not have them in the game at all is asinine. I suppose we should ban hammers as well because some nutcase in Alabama bludgeoned his wife to death with one. Clearly the hammer is the problem, not the psychotic wielding it. ^ Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssss....sssssssssss
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ZeroPlus

01.20.2012 , 11:40 AM \| #356	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Slackfumasta Actually, it wouldn't. Total damage means nothing, as anybody who PvPs or has played any other MMO could tell you. Of course it doesn't! So why insist that having an add-on that measures it is needed? Someone may be assigned the job of interrupting, or kiting a mob, or any other thing that involves low total damage/DPS. If that person does the job well and the boss dies, why measure their damage contribution? On that point: if the boss dies, does it really matter if JoeBH did more/less damage than JackJugg? If one of them is a dick, and you don't want him in your raid group then don't invite him and tell him he's a dick. Don't look for excuses. Even when the boss doesn't die and no mistakes were made, (standing in fire, not interrupting, not executing tactics), it just means that the GROUP needs to prepare better. It doesn't mean that add-ons are needed so blame can be placed. If a boss enrages at the 10 minute mark, it means that it was designed to be killable in 10 minutes time. There is no need to kill it in 6 minutes time. Going back to the OP's suggestion, it would give an overall view of what had been done. Remember, the suggestions states "DPS, Healing, Protection"... not just total damage. That would be more than enough to see if more DPS/Healing/Protection was needed and allow the GROUP to prepare better.
If you seek answers, you must always ask questions. - Master Vandar Tokare. [Suggestion] Add another Blaster Pistol with the "A-300 Heavy Sonic Needler" model = DONE!

Noevra

01.22.2012 , 05:17 PM \| #357	Quote
No addons.... Come one, they help the game out, and increase the fun, they help you manage your bank, bags, and even create your own UI. Foks saying addons is the reason people leave a MMO are forgetting WOW is/was a game that run 7 YEARS! You didnt leave because of the addons you left because of Star Wars... I my self find it annoying that there arent addons in this game to a extend that im already getting borred with it, and making me think of wow agan...

Lexis

01.23.2012 , 08:40 AM \| #358	Quote
again, Addon's suck. No one should have to depend on outside resources to enjoy the game. All of the tools and features you guys want should be built into the default UI. That way when they update the game, they update its features too. No more patch day broke my ui blues.

BubblegumYeti

01.23.2012 , 08:52 AM \| #359	Quote
No addons please. Some of the addons in "other" MMOs almost play the game by themselves.

BubblegumYeti

01.23.2012 , 08:53 AM \| #360	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Slackfumasta Completely incorrect. Addons do not move you out of the fire. Addons do not interrupt boss abilities. Addons do not pick targets to heal. Addons do not pick the target you need to burn down. In short, addons do not allow you to watch TV while raiding. Quit spreading incorrect information about addons. Enjoy pressing buttons when an addon tells you. Rise of the machines.

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