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NO Addons please. There is another solution!


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NicholaiJS
01.19.2012 , 02:58 PM | #331
All I want is a DPS meter so I can show bads that they are bad.

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Styelz
01.19.2012 , 08:53 PM | #332
The add-ons aren't the problem, it's the people that use them to be elitist jerks. Those people will find other ways to feel superior and try to belittle others with or without mods. DPS meters are extremely helpful to those who use them to judge themselves and who want to improve, and a threat mod gives everyone a great tool to make groups run more efficiently, the DPS can see when they're about to pull aggro, and the ones that don't care or aren't trying will be exposed because they have no excuse. Things like UI, healing or tanking mods only affect those using them and can make things much easier so they can be more effective, what's wrong with that? Because you don't want to be judged by some random person you'll never meet in real life everyone else is suppose to go without the things that can make their playing experience more enjoyable?

Bottom line is this is an MMO, add-on support will most likely happen, it's part of life to deal with things you don't like so you can enjoy the things you do. That applies to every aspect of life, when you play a game that brings so many different types of people into the fold, you can't expect to have things only your way and for BW to cater to one specific group of players. If they deny add-on support part of the player base will be happy, if they allow it part of the player base will be happy. The thing that should be the deciding factor is that the closest they can be to being fair about it is to allow it, and those that don't want to use them don't have to, and those that don't want to group with random jerks(who would be jerks with or without the ability to see your DPS) can find a guild of like-minded people.

There are some things that should be standard to every MMO, like the ability to customize the UI, and to see your damage output. Being able to see your DPS is the absolute only way you'll ever be able to improve, it's like expecting a sports team to just get better without being able to review the game footage...

Either way we'll all be fine, with or without them. If they allow them I assume people's ignore lists will fill up quick. If I had to vote, I'd vote yes. I'd much rather have to ability to make my play time more enjoyable and just put the jerks on /ignore. As for future content being tailored around various mods, let's just hope BW isn't that ignorant, and if they do they at least make the add-ons needed a part of the game interface like Blizzard did with a few of them.
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Manv
01.19.2012 , 09:03 PM | #333
Quote: Originally Posted by Celentes View Post
Sorry if this has been mentioned already somewhere in the thread.

In all honesty and no offense, but a lot of talents were inspired by how wow has been built. Procs with internal cooldowns, for instance. And they have all been designed explicitly with addons in mind, because with the amount of procs and buffs and hots and absorbs you're getting while in a group and even when alone, it is just unreasonable to use UI in its current state.
Icons are too little. No flashy bars/icons/auras for procs. You either look at your screen and see what happens with all the nice animations or look at your hp bar and track the buffs/debuffs.
Either design a game from scratch with only your ui in mind, or allow the use of external resources if you rip off the system that abuses it to the limit.
That is a very good post, I totally agree. Look at this.

When you play a dot class, and there is your mirror in the group, you have no way of telling which dots on the boss are yours, and which belong to the other guy. I'm not sure how am I supposed to play like that.

There is no way to gauge threat, and when you do serious content and a boss faces you (and you're not a tank), you often go SPLAT. Important, especially considering that tanking is not a cakewalk in this game.

When I'm playing my class to the fullest, I have to choose - do I look at the screen, or do I look at my bars? When I'm using 10 or so abilities with different cooldowns and have to monitor my buffs and boss debuffs for maximum performance, I need a third eye to actually see what's happening on the screen. Again, how am I supposed to play like that?

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Vankris
01.19.2012 , 09:11 PM | #334
it would be a grave mistake to not use player base skills, motivation and creativity to enhance gaming experience.

as big as it may be, bioware has limited ressources and i rather have them working on actual contene and balance than petty stuff like ui and such. let your player base do it, just release an api.

some people, minority i hope, just don't understand the power of having such plateform



simple example: linux. free operating system created by the user for user, probably much more open than a windows or mac os can ever be. and it still is growing.

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schwartzpedro
01.19.2012 , 09:18 PM | #335
Quote: Originally Posted by Nicdanger View Post
After skimming this thread the entire argument I see against add-ons comes down to . .

"It makes stupid people more stupid and mean people more mean."

Seriously? Actual high-end raiding requires things that let you judge your own performance. DPS meters are a tool, you wouldn't break your hammer because your kid smashed a window with it would you? You would try and teach your kid what the hammer is used for.

Add-ons turn healing from painfully impossible to something that actually feels fun and challenging. Healbot is a joke, people who use it are clueless and terrible. I've healed in WoW and Rift, healing in Rift is terrible thanks to a lack of good add-ons and its awful add-on API and its a big reason I no longer play the game.


Why deny the game free programming hours by denying the use of add-ons? I would much rather have Bioware focused on fixing bugs and releasing new content than tweaking the UI.

Add-ons will make the game better in so many ways your pathetic brains can't comprehend.
Indeed.Some PVE addons are awesome, and some fluff addons are great too.

SWTOR needs addons!

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Perkunas
01.19.2012 , 09:27 PM | #336
Again, people need to realize that TONS of features from TOR started as UI mods in Warcraft. It's almost hysterical to see people screaming bloody murder against them when so many features they are enjoying in this game wouldn't have existed without them.
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Tralis_Lisadan
01.19.2012 , 09:56 PM | #337
Another voice to say NO to addons.

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Perkunas
01.19.2012 , 10:02 PM | #338
Quote: Originally Posted by Tralis_Lisadan View Post
Another voice to say NO to addons.
Another post without a coherent explanation as to why so thanks for adding nothing to the discussion.
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TJHarmon
01.19.2012 , 10:15 PM | #339
I like the OPs idea, but if not Addons would be nice. I hate the people saying addons "dumb down" or make the game easier, just shows their true ignorance. WoW was not dumbed down because of Addons it was dumbed down because of ****** players being exposed by Addons. Also people complaining about diffuculty and saying they are too "casual" to down anything. Bad players will always be bad, with or without Addons and I'd like to have those Addons to keep bad players out of my raids/heroics.

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Mabusa
01.19.2012 , 10:39 PM | #340
Addon haters usualy suck at dps and hps, they want to be carried by others...