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Innocenta

01.04.2012 , 05:22 AM \| #291	Quote
It is interesting to read how only the against add-on crowd is able to write constructive answers. The pro crowd is most part mainly the elitist jerks that we don`t want in Star Wars. ( I said mostly there are some intelligent answers there ) People that write things like "Anyone that doesn`t want add-ons is just bad at gaming, sux etcc" should be forbidden to play MMO`s. Because they are the ones ruin it for everyone. Although the discussion is exactly the same that Rift went through last year. Rift got the add-ons and became a even more Wow clone that it already was. I do understand the points made that its the player not the tool but you breed jerks with competitive add-ons. On the other hand yes to be able to do operations we do need some sort of a performance overview. I like the idea of the OP to have a pvp style board. That way we dont`t get situations that healers/dps stare at numbers and arent raid aware of do such idiotic things like don`t move from fire to finish cast to be higher dps then blame death on their healers. This still brings consequences ofc, like cookie clutter specs etcc.. but its the best that we have I think and cannot be avoided if one has this data. So no to third parties add on, yes to controlled tools including performance overview, customizable chat and UI interface amongst others. /Isa.

LonefoxSwe

01.04.2012 , 05:50 AM \| #292	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Innocenta It is interesting to read how only the against add-on crowd is able to write constructive answers. The pro crowd is most part mainly the elitist jerks that we don`t want in Star Wars. ( I said mostly there are some intelligent answers there ) People that write things like "Anyone that doesn`t want add-ons is just bad at gaming, sux etcc" should be forbidden to play MMO`s. Because they are the ones ruin it for everyone. Although the discussion is exactly the same that Rift went through last year. Rift got the add-ons and became a even more Wow clone that it already was. I do understand the points made that its the player not the tool but you breed jerks with competitive add-ons. On the other hand yes to be able to do operations we do need some sort of a performance overview. I like the idea of the OP to have a pvp style board. That way we dont`t get situations that healers/dps stare at numbers and arent raid aware of do such idiotic things like don`t move from fire to finish cast to be higher dps then blame death on their healers. This still brings consequences ofc, like cookie clutter specs etcc.. but its the best that we have I think and cannot be avoided if one has this data. So no to third parties add on, yes to controlled tools including performance overview, customizable chat and UI interface amongst others. /Isa. One of the best replies I read in this thread. And yes.....to fully be able to arrange the UI is needed, targets target need to work (binding Acquire targets target doesn't work as it is now). But that's it. And as you say.....we don't want the elite-jerks in here But the problem is (as stated before, and I heard it from alot of friends that have been playing WoW since start and that made me NOT want to play it) is that EVERYTHING these days circles around add-ons, having the right ones, having the right gearscore to enter (heck they even implimented it into WoW so you don't need an add-on for that), tanks MUST have threatmeter etc. etc...... f*ck that.... Learn the game mechanics like in the old days... So what if you wipe 1-2 times before you get the flow in? It's a freaking part of the game. But noooo.... It seems alot of ppl want everything before they get there...

Seqilan

01.04.2012 , 05:56 AM \| #293	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Innocenta It is interesting to read how only the against add-on crowd is able to write constructive answers. The pro crowd is most part mainly the elitist jerks that we don`t want in Star Wars. ( I said mostly there are some intelligent answers there ) Errr I could say the same, other way around though. I see people screaming against addons, bringing examples of misuse or some random jerk to validate their opinion. It's also ridiculous to bring up WoW's support for addons as a factor against addons, because WoW is the most successful MMO to date and addons played no small part to that, ie down the line, Blizzard started implementing addon functionality into the game client itself. I mean really, people need to get over the whole "that other game had this, this one MUST NOT!!!11one" and realize that other game actually got plenty of things right. Not all or the majority, but plenty so you really need to think about it before you instantly dismiss a feature as the devil. And I'm still waiting to hear a response to those of us who want to improve our in game performance, how can we do it without a tool to actually measure that performance? Even if it's not an addon, we need a way to know how effective our talent/gear/mod choices are for our role.

Dothar

01.04.2012 , 07:47 AM \| #294	Quote
Everyone always mentioned WoW... Did anyone ever play Everquest? Lol... this game had UI customization but no add-ons. The mobs were harder and required more skill and understanding then anything WoW has ever come up with. I mean there was some really tough **** in that game, some how people managed it though. I love how people claim WoW to be the most successful game to date. Um you know before WoW, Everquest was claimed to be the most successful game to date... this changes with times. People are looking for more simplicity in their MMOs where the common monkey could play the game for them, it's sad really. Again that leads to Add-ons everyone has become so codependent on these things that it's sad. You got people telling others to just not use them... well that won't be the case eventually the game will mold around Add-Ons just like WoW taking the fun out of not knowing what was coming next. Which will then require everyone to basically have to get said Add-Ons or never do a raid/op at all. If I remember correctly too, in EQ you could /combatlog on then actually phase your dps yourself... yes you had to know math to do this LOL :P Personally I don't think Add-Ons are needed or required. It's been done in the past, it can be done again.

roxxorszuLu

01.04.2012 , 07:58 AM \| #295	Quote
Why is there always a "WE DONT WANT" "WE" is not only starwars gamers, "WE" is WoW,Everquerst,Rift,Lineage and EVERY OTHER GAME. This sentence "WE DONT WANT" is not viable here. Everyone has to respect the wishes of ppl who want addons and ppl who dont want addons!!! Iam okay with no 3th Party addons, but addons like they invent in wow at the end. Or a UI like blizz had. You got important thinks, scaleable ui, some "powa auras" art. ofc its better to see your proccs in fight. A Aggro bar and ffs a Dps meter. Iam okay if you cant post it, or do what ever you dont want. But just for myself, just to improve myself in dps or tank stats or whatever i need. there has to be a log (combat log?) just to do better next time... i think this is more than fair.

xGBox

01.04.2012 , 08:12 AM \| #296	Quote
Add-ons like DPS and health meters make you a better, more accurate, and more precise player. Why would anybody refuse any tools that make you more effective? Also, add-ons are optional. As in: You don't have to use it if you don't want to. Take this home: If you feel that the standard UI works for you, then use it. I personally don't feel the same way. Don't get me wrong; I'll work with what I get. But I never turn down any assistance to be a better player.

PhoenixMatrix

01.04.2012 , 08:18 AM \| #297	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by xGBox Add-ons like DPS and health meters make you a better, more accurate, and more precise player. Why would anybody refuse any tools that make you more effective? Also, add-ons are optional. As in: You don't have to use it if you don't want to. Take this home: If you feel that the standard UI works for you, then use it. I personally don't feel the same way. Don't get me wrong; I'll work with what I get. But I never turn down any assistance to be a better player. Add-ons are not optional when fights are balanced around number crunching except of strategy and quick thinking. There's a lot of MMOs with harder fights than anything "that game" has and they're not about number crunching. And to answer your first question: Having a very well crafted bot program read the combat data and reacts to it would allow you to do every operation on the highest level perfectly and flawlessly. It would help your team, and make you vastly more efficient. Having to actually READ the dps/aggro/whatever meters still allows you to make mistakes. A bot wouldn't. So why do you actually play the game instead of using a bot? The answer is probably very similar to what people who don't want add-ons would tell you (unless your answer is "its against the eula!")

Sky_walkerPL

01.04.2012 , 08:22 AM \| #298	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Innocenta It is interesting to read how only the against add-on crowd is able to write constructive answers. The pro crowd is most part mainly the elitist jerks that we don`t want in Star Wars. ( I said mostly there are some intelligent answers there ) People that write things like "Anyone that doesn`t want add-ons is just bad at gaming, sux etcc" should be forbidden to play MMO`s. Because they are the ones ruin it for everyone. Although the discussion is exactly the same that Rift went through last year. Rift got the add-ons and became a even more Wow clone that it already was. I do understand the points made that its the player not the tool but you breed jerks with competitive add-ons. On the other hand yes to be able to do operations we do need some sort of a performance overview. I like the idea of the OP to have a pvp style board. That way we dont`t get situations that healers/dps stare at numbers and arent raid aware of do such idiotic things like don`t move from fire to finish cast to be higher dps then blame death on their healers. This still brings consequences ofc, like cookie clutter specs etcc.. but its the best that we have I think and cannot be avoided if one has this data. So no to third parties add on, yes to controlled tools including performance overview, customizable chat and UI interface amongst others. /Isa. This. + the bold part. Quote: Originally Posted by xGBox Add-ons like DPS and health meters make you a better, more accurate, and more precise player. Why would anybody refuse any tools that make you more effective? No. Learning how to play game, adjusting to situations, sharing knowledge is what makes you better gamer. Not staring at reports or doing excel spreadsheets. If you believe in a magic of reports than... WoW is a better place to stay.
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CIRSyndic

01.04.2012 , 08:30 AM \| #299	Quote
Many people quit WoW for a good reason. Why focus so much on trying to turn TOR into WoW? If you want WoW addons, WoW x-y-z, play WoW. TOR has enough funding and IP behind it to evolve into its own kind of MMO, not a continuation of the same old rehash many people left behind when they quit.

Rigwit

01.04.2012 , 08:36 AM \| #300	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Dothar Everyone always mentioned WoW... Did anyone ever play Everquest? Oh my god, someone knows about Everquest and isn't convinced WoW was the first ever MMO Played EQ a lot... Early on it didn't have a customizable UI at all, and the entire UI was actually opaque, so the actual game screen was pretty small .. There were only 8 hotkeys for spells, and no additional hot bars.. If you wanted to cast a spell that wasn't on the hot bar, you had to memorize it first from your spell book, and of course the spell book took up the little window of the game world you had =) And to the "every MMO is a WoW clone" crowd, WoW is an EQ1 clone with some DAoC thrown in.

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