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Macsimus
12.20.2011 , 05:18 AM | #11
DPS meters are needed to craft builds. This isn't a different game, it's a typical loot based themepark MMO and as such those who wish to optomize, need the information.
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glowpipe
12.20.2011 , 05:21 AM | #12
i agree for the most parts about dps meters and healbots and stuff.

But we really need some Action bar modifications. The current action bar and no target of target totaly sucks

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Logainn
12.20.2011 , 05:27 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Macsimus View Post
DPS meters are needed to craft builds. This isn't a different game, it's a typical loot based themepark MMO and as such those who wish to optomize, need the information.
Just because previous games in the same genre have done it, isn't a reason to do it with this one.
Fine, you want to optimize with actual game data. I can understand that wish, Bioware can supply that data just as well as add-on developers. As stated in my previous post, I'd highly prefer if Bioware builds something to accomodate this if they judge the cause worthy rather then enabling add-ons.

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RachelAnne
12.20.2011 , 05:39 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by OrionBurger View Post
Why exactly do you not want addons available? If you don't like them, don't use them.
The thing is, people with them will start insulting other players - did you never play wow?

I kinda like the idea of a summary at the end, but addons that make it possible to flame others - no, never - we dont need a second wow.

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Lonsecia
12.20.2011 , 05:39 AM | #15
I mostly didn't mind addons in WoW until GearScore. That freakin' thing being mentioned for almost every PuG raid or whatnot, when anyone who can play knows gear doesn't automatically make you a better player. I saw people in amazing gear who could barely compete with people in blues, yet all anyone wanted was a GS of over <insert current patches average GS here>.

I never installed it, which meant I could only really raid with friends... Not actually a bad thing.

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Sethhan
12.20.2011 , 06:15 AM | #16
My point of view when it comes to add-ons.

Add-ons like Gear Score and DPS meters should never be allowed in the game..

First you need to be invited to a raid, and when add-ons like Gear Score exist it doesnít matter if you know the tactics and if you would be an excellent member in the raid. High Gear Score becomes the only important component to gain a spot, I have seen in the other game one 4.5k GS out performe a 5.2k GS player.

Second, while in the raid, you need to keep the DPS at the very highest, above everyone else even. Otherwise, it will be allot of whining about that. So it becomes more important to make damage than move from the red/green stuff on the floor, and then the raid gets wiped due to that the tank and healer can't keep up with dps getting aggro or taking damage from the green **** they stand in.

It would be better to have some kind of statistics window which appears when the boss is down or when the raid has wiped. That statistics should also show how individuals has performed regarding standing in sh*t etc. not only how much DPS individuals has done.

For example, following statics could be good to have statisics on:

DPS done.
Healing recived. (Not over healing received)
Healing done.
Aggro time.

When it comes to add-ons that help with friendís lists and UI re-customization etc. would be nice to have.

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Zeppelin
12.20.2011 , 06:54 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by OrionBurger View Post
Why exactly do you not want addons available? If you don't like them, don't use them.
This. Why ruin other people's game play because of something you don't like. Until the day that a developer can make a UI that caters to the preferences of millions of different users, add-ons will have their place.

And if something like Healbot is really an issue, the developer can simply break the add-on through the API.
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Zeppelin
12.20.2011 , 06:56 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Lonsecia View Post
I mostly didn't mind addons in WoW until GearScore. That freakin' thing being mentioned for almost every PuG raid or whatnot, when anyone who can play knows gear doesn't automatically make you a better player. I saw people in amazing gear who could barely compete with people in blues, yet all anyone wanted was a GS of over <insert current patches average GS here>.

I never installed it, which meant I could only really raid with friends... Not actually a bad thing.
People have been inspecting people outside of instances or looking at their armory profile long before Gearscore.
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Shadowclaimer
12.20.2011 , 07:03 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Mineria View Post
Not to forget that addons set the standard of the games future updates, which basically means that you in time are forced to use some of them for raiding, what ever you like it or not.
Just like people already specific look for tank/healer roles to do low level mission, which even are designed that to do as 2 players and companions with what ever class/spec.
Makes one sad with them WoW Pandas that are stuck to their old way of thinking game mechanics.

I would like 4 stacking bottom bars , but I rather want the option for GUI rearrangement as an integrated game option.
This, Addons become required because their assistance to gameplay becomes the measure of which content is balanced. That's the problem.
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Ashorian
12.20.2011 , 07:41 AM | #20
people who post about healbot taking the skill out of the game really have no idea what addons like that actually do and are probably remembering it from vanilla wow.

raiding guilds want to be able to (as effectively as possible) analyze what is occurring in an encounter, if not a dps meter, access to the combat log and parsing should be available.

reorganizing and customizing the ui should also be possible. there should be a way to show only my debuffs on a target and on the operations frames it should be possible to not show things like class buffs. it makes it hard to see things like kolto probe and on an enemy when every debuff in the universe is on a target it is pretty difficult to track yours.

i'd be ok with very few addons allowed if the ui was actually arrangeable. it is not very efficient in its current form.

edit: tldr it's not the addons that are the problem, it's the attitude of some people that use them. (meter whores, etc.)



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