Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer
×

Tanking Stat Weights


dipstik's Avatar


dipstik
02.28.2013 , 05:39 PM | #101
ive started a thread like this in the pts forums. i looked at 90% for k/e coming from w/r and the other 10% from f/t, but looking at keyboardninja's boss dps numbers, the average is 70% of damage from w/r and 30% from f/t, in terms of w/e damage, so defense is almost useless. i will most likey end up posting the numbers for 70/30 split, but it is really just weighting absorb to shield...

i think defense should increase resistance to give defense the same number of rolls as shield.

right now for eevry 10 w/r attacks we get 7 defense rolls and 10 shield rolls (well... except the part when if defense roll wins we dont roll shield... but u know what i mean)

Daelars's Avatar


Daelars
03.02.2013 , 06:36 PM | #102
Kitru i have a question regarding these stat weights for NiM Kephass. Would you keep these same stat weights on a shadow for that fight or stack a bit for defense for i minor loss in absorb?

Kitru's Avatar


Kitru
03.03.2013 , 12:12 AM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Daelars View Post
Kitru i have a question regarding these stat weights for NiM Kephass. Would you keep these same stat weights on a shadow for that fight or stack a bit for defense for i minor loss in absorb?
Kephess is all about high amounts of incoming damage, and the problem that makes Shadows squishy is the general spikiness of incoming damage and high number of attacks per second. As such, I would honestly focus primarily on maximizing total mitigation rather than trying to preserve KW stacks since those stacks are going to vanish almost instantly no matter what you do, not to mention that focusing on Defense just makes you incoming damage even more spiky.
Walls of Text? I *love* Walls of Text!
My New Class Idea
Shadow Class Rep - Suggest/Review Questions Here
Quote: Originally Posted by Fende View Post
Listen to Kitru. Kitru knows all.

LordFraser's Avatar


LordFraser
03.12.2013 , 03:39 PM | #104
Other than "I'm doing it wrong", which I know has to be in there somewhere, I'm falling short on getting the correct calculation results relative to Defense %.
I get different stats when putting on Mr. Robot than I do in game. AND using the same defense rating (678 from IG stat sheet, not Mr. Robot) I get wildly different values from LagunaD's sheet and the formula provided in this thread.

Excel tells me with a 678 def rating =1/(100)*(5 +12+10+5+ 30 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.3 ) )^( ( (678+46) / 50 ) / 0.55 ) )) results in a def rating of .497115. ***? 49% def? using Mr. Robot's 804 I get an even greater result.

Using a 678 def rating in LagunaD's sheet I get a Def rating % of 17.8% and a total of 39.8%.

I know that all of the items/mods/enhancements in Mr. Robot are what I have IG, but they aren't matching up from character stat sheet to the resulting %s in Mr. Robot.

In short, I'm trying to optimize here but I'm getting all sorts of wonky results that are not helping in any way. Help?

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...a-c6e16dc4a65b
[╬╬╬╬╬╬]||{████████████████████████████████████████)

Marb's Avatar


Marb
03.13.2013 , 06:55 AM | #105
As long as the ratings themselves are what you are comparing. The % results of the spreadsheet includes accuracy debuff and blade barrier, ask mr robot and in game character sheet don't. Ask mr robot may differ, make sure you have the exo stim on/off depending on if you have one active in game.
Harbinger

IrishTR's Avatar


IrishTR
03.14.2013 , 05:01 AM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by LordFraser View Post
Other than "I'm doing it wrong", which I know has to be in there somewhere, I'm falling short on getting the correct calculation results relative to Defense %.
I get different stats when putting on Mr. Robot than I do in game. AND using the same defense rating (678 from IG stat sheet, not Mr. Robot) I get wildly different values from LagunaD's sheet and the formula provided in this thread.

Excel tells me with a 678 def rating =1/(100)*(5 +12+10+5+ 30 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.3 ) )^( ( (678+46) / 50 ) / 0.55 ) )) results in a def rating of .497115. ***? 49% def? using Mr. Robot's 804 I get an even greater result.

Using a 678 def rating in LagunaD's sheet I get a Def rating % of 17.8% and a total of 39.8%.

I know that all of the items/mods/enhancements in Mr. Robot are what I have IG, but they aren't matching up from character stat sheet to the resulting %s in Mr. Robot.

In short, I'm trying to optimize here but I'm getting all sorts of wonky results that are not helping in any way. Help?

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...a-c6e16dc4a65b
Askmrrobot for Shadows/Sins Tank Defense calculations have been inaccurate by I think 4-5% for quite a few patches now Sadly they claim to be updating it but their main focus is to WoW and LoL, with SWTOR getting table scraps whenever they decide to drop them. Its falling on its face way behind, its DB is still 1.4 and missing/inaccurate on several items so don't use it as 100% measure.

Wanchope's Avatar


Wanchope
03.18.2013 , 09:31 AM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
This is what's become the "standard" hybrid tank spec. There are some variations upon it (some don't take Overhead Slash and instead take a second point in Swelling Winds; some take Stasis Mastery or Courage instead of Swelling Winds), but it's a difference of 1-2 points of allocation at most and there haven't been appreciable differences in performance discovered between them.
This is a great thread. Thanks a lot for crunching the numbers for us.

For what its worth, on my hybrid guardian tank, I actually take 1 point in force rush instead of swelling wings or courage or stasis mastery. If you get in the habit of using OS every cooldown, it means you will crit on most (60% or so.... I'm not a mathy type) of your BS and dispatches.

Reihon's Avatar


Reihon
04.16.2013 , 08:41 AM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by dipstik View Post
POWERTECH/VANGAURD

total defense shield absorb
1400 314 586 500
1500 335 634 531
1600 358 681 561
1700 382 727 590
1800 409 772 619
1900 435 817 647
2000 463 862 675

> d90(dr):=1/(100)*(5 +2+10+ 30 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.3 ) )^( ( (dr+46) / 50 ) / 0.55 ) )): ;
> sh(shr):=1/(100)*(5+23+ 50 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.5 ) )^( ( shr / 50 ) / 0.32 ) )):
> ab(abr):=1/(100)*(20+4+8+50 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.5 ) )^( ( abr / 50 ) / 0.18 ) )):
> d100(dr):=1/(100)*(5 +2+ 30 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.3 ) )^( ( (dr+46) / 50 ) / 0.55 ) )): ;
> ac90 := .5;
> ac100 := .5;
LagrangeMultipliers(ac90*(1-d90(dr))*(1-sh(shr)*ab(abr))+ac100*(1-d100(dr))*(1-sh(shr)*ab(abr)), [abr+dr+shr-N], [dr, shr, abr])

ASSASSIN/SHADOW
1400 453 430 518
1500 471 479 550
1600 492 527 581
1700 514 575 611
1800 538 621 641
1900 563 667 670
2000 590 712 698

> d90(dr):=1/(100)*(10 +6+15+ 30 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.3 ) )^( ( (dr+46) / 50 ) / 0.55 ) )):
> d100(dr):=1/(100)*(10 +6+5+ 30 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.3 ) )^( ( (dr+46) / 50 ) / 0.55 ) )):
> sh(shr):=1/(100)*(5+15+20+ 50 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.5 ) )^( ( shr / 50 ) / 0.32 ) )):
> ab(abr):=1/(100)*(20+4+50 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.5 ) )^( ( abr / 50 ) / 0.18 ) )):


JUGGERNAUT/GUARDIAN (HYBRID)

pool defense shield absorb
1400 838 268 295
1500 837 327 337 (counterintuitive)
1600 843 381 375
1700 854 434 412
1800 870 484 446
1900 888 533 479
2000 909 581 511


> d90(dr):=1/(100)*(5 +12+10+5+ 30 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.3 ) )^( ( (dr+46) / 50 ) / 0.55 ) )): ;
> d100(dr):=1/(100)*(5 +12+5+ 30 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.3 ) )^( ( (dr+46) / 50 ) / 0.55 ) )):
> sh(shr):=1/(100)*(5+15+ 50 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.5 ) )^( ( shr / 50 ) / 0.32 ) )):
> ab(abr):=1/(100)*(20+50 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.5 ) )^( ( abr / 50 ) / 0.18 ) )):


FULL JUGG
pool defense shield absorb
1400 769 290 342
1500 775 345 381
1600 786 392 417
1700 800 448 452
1800 818 498 485
1900 858 546 516
2000 860 593 547




> d90(dr):=1/(100)*(5 +12+10+5+ 30 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.3 ) )^( ( (dr+46) / 50 ) / 0.55 ) )): ;
> d100(dr):=1/(100)*(5 +12+5+ 30 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.3 ) )^( ( (dr+46) / 50 ) / 0.55 ) )):
> sh(shr):=1/(100)*(5+19+ 50 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.5 ) )^( ( shr / 50 ) / 0.32 ) )):
> ab(abr):=1/(100)*(20+50 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 0.01 / 0.5 ) )^( ( abr / 50 ) / 0.18 ) )):
Is this updated for 2.0?

Carousel_t's Avatar


Carousel_t
04.16.2013 , 08:46 AM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Reihon View Post
Is this updated for 2.0?
doubtful, he took a hybrid jug into a consideration. i think most up-to-date math was done by KBN. but it's fair to say, dipstik is a genius and whole tanking community is deeply grateful for all his hard work.

Reihon's Avatar


Reihon
04.16.2013 , 09:29 AM | #110
do you have a link to his post?