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Kaggath Series: Darth Traya vs Revan

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Kaggath Series: Darth Traya vs Revan

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darkhosty
11.27.2012 , 07:33 PM | #81
Invalid thread even a yongling Revan would kick Kreia's old ***

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Aurbere
11.27.2012 , 07:33 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterMe View Post
Maybe so, but that's not what Kreia would say. She implied that Revan was greater then she was.
Indeed she did, but I believe that she was referring to the Revan that defeated Malak and saved the galaxy. Jedi Knight Revan is at a severe disadvantage.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Airmo
11.27.2012 , 07:35 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Indeed she did, but I believe that she was referring to the Revan that defeated Malak and saved the galaxy. Jedi Knight Revan is at a severe disadvantage.
Wasn't the last time she saw him before he went off into the unkown regions the first time? She hadn't seen the Revan that defeated Malak.
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Aurbere
11.27.2012 , 07:38 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Airmo View Post
Wasn't the last time she saw him before he went off into the unkown regions the first time? She hadn't seen the Revan that defeated Malak.
I'm not sure on that.

I don't think that matters as that Traya has the power to end the fight before it begins.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Airmo
11.27.2012 , 07:39 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
I'm not sure on that.

I don't think that matters as that Traya has the power to end the fight before it begins.
Perhaps. Doesn't mean she would use it, she is a talker.
"Darkness is a friend, an ally. Darkness allows us to understand others, to see what they value when they believe no one else is looking. It allows us to be honest with ourselves, to express those values that we would disavow in the light. The light blinds us. It is only in the dark that we see clearly."

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Aurbere
11.27.2012 , 07:43 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Airmo View Post
Perhaps. Doesn't mean she would use it, she is a talker.
True, but that could defeat Revan as well.

We've settled on the fact that such a battle between the two would take place on Malachor. The Dark energies, combined with Traya's manipulation skills, would be Revan's downfall. He would fall to the Dark Side and Traya would win.

In a battle between the two, even though Traya says Revan is better, I have to give it to her. She's incredibly powerful in the Force, and she has several incredibly powerful Force techniques at her disposal. Force Drain and Sever Force are the biggest that come into play. These are the same powers that killed the three masters on Dantooine.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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VigDiath
11.27.2012 , 07:43 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
You underestimate Traya severly. She killed three Jedi Masters instantly with a combination of Sever Force and Force Drain. What's to stop her from doing so to Revan?

Traya was incredibly powerful with the Force. Far more powerful than Jedi Knight Revan.
Revan was not as arrogant as those Jedi Masters. They underestimated her. Revan would not have made that mistake. When the Jedi Masters saw her they recognized the dark side in her and tried to attack but their defenses were down otherwise sever force would never have worked on Master's who held the knowledge they held. Revan trained under Kreia. But not only Kreia he trained under a Jedi who was a blademaster, a lorekeeper and others. He was able to apply what he learned in the field and not just in practice.

He also sought knowledge. Knowledge is what Kreia has to go on since she was not the martial expert that Revan was. But he sought knowledge to augment his fighting skills. We have no idea of the treasure trove of knowledge and lore he had up until the point when he first met the emperor. We only know that his search would have started way before he sought out this empire while he was still a Jedi Knight and General of the Republic. So with that knowledge he has gained so far who is to say what techniques he knows or doesn't know to be useful in combat. We know what Kreia knows to an extent but now what Revan knows and that's where Revan holds his the element of surprise.
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darkhosty
11.27.2012 , 07:45 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Airmo View Post
Perhaps. Doesn't mean she would use it, she is a talker.
Kraia corrupts Revan and takes him as her apprentice ( its a trap ) then he kills her and takes her place as master.

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Aurbere
11.27.2012 , 07:47 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by VigDiath View Post
Revan was not as arrogant as those Jedi Masters. They underestimated her. Revan would not have made that mistake. When the Jedi Masters saw her they recognized the dark side in her and tried to attack but their defenses were down otherwise sever force would never have worked on Master's who held the knowledge they held. Revan trained under Kreia. But not only Kreia he trained under a Jedi who was a blademaster, a lorekeeper and others. He was able to apply what he learned in the field and not just in practice.

He also sought knowledge. Knowledge is what Kreia has to go on since she was not the martial expert that Revan was. But he sought knowledge to augment his fighting skills. We have no idea of the treasure trove of knowledge and lore he had up until the point when he first met the emperor. We only know that his search would have started way before he sought out this empire while he was still a Jedi Knight and General of the Republic. So with that knowledge he has gained so far who is to say what techniques he knows or doesn't know to be useful in combat. We know what Kreia knows to an extent but now what Revan knows and that's where Revan holds his the element of surprise.
Well now we're arguing unknowns. I've made it clear in the past that we can't argue unknowns. We make our case with their canon abilities. In this sense, Traya has far more powerful abilities than Revan. Revan is not listed as having knowledge of resisting Sever Force and Force Drain, so we don't list this as an ability he has.

We don't argue with unknowns, we make our case based on what we know about the characters. With this in mind, Jedi Knight Revan is no match for Darth Traya.
Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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MasterMe
11.27.2012 , 07:51 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Well now we're arguing unknowns. I've made it clear in the past that we can't argue unknowns. We make our case with their canon abilities. In this sense, Traya has far more powerful abilities than Revan. Revan is not listed as having knowledge of resisting Sever Force and Force Drain, so we don't list this as an ability he has.

We don't argue with unknowns, we make our case based on what we know about the characters. With this in mind, Jedi Knight Revan is no match for Darth Traya.
Again, that's not what Kreia says.