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Eurogamer re-reviews SWTOR


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Soluss
11.26.2012 , 03:02 PM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
Actually, most of them have it ranked pretty high on their ratings:
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/st...critic-reviews

Additionally, the user meta score has actually slowly been increasing. It used to be on 5.2 roughly a month ago when I last saw it, now it's on 5.7. Guess the blind 10 votes began outvoting the blind 0 votes.

Thing is, little of that all matters, as what currently still stands is that even though all the doom & gloom SWTOR remains one of the most actively played MMO's if going by xfire and raptr charts. Added to that, the subscriber count remained stable according to the last financial call, indicating it maintained at well above the half a million mark. So regardless of what some believe, there's still plenty of others who do enjoy it.

Similar as to World of Warcraft, millions cry crap, the metacritic user score is a 4.4 for MoP, yet Blizzard is still enjoying their millions running in every month.
Perhaps you should actually read your link. Not only are 90% of those reviews from ****** sources like G4TV, but almost all of them were made either at launch or within the first 2 months. None of that pertains to now.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Fornix
11.26.2012 , 03:04 PM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Perhaps you should actually read your link. Not only are 90% of those reviews from ****** sources like G4TV, but almost all of them were made either at launch or within the first 2 months. None of that pertains to now.
Well duh captain obvious, but with rare exception gaming sites don't change their ratings.
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Soluss
11.26.2012 , 03:08 PM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
They can fight in the story for you.

So you are asking for something that even WOW could no do? Or can you give me some MMO that could make everybody partake in every story?

I think TOR got many problems, but its class story is not something to criticize.
You are neglecting my point. My point is that is exactly what makes it feel single player. Would it be so hard for them to have multiplayer story? I dont think so, they do it in Black Talon. They do it in every single heroic quest.

This is suppose to be a multiplayer game, not an online single player game.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Soluss
11.26.2012 , 03:11 PM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
Well duh captain obvious, but with rare exception gaming sites don't change their ratings.
Really? I think the thread disproves you. Reall gaming sites do re-review games. Especially after a big change. The companies that dont are not real review sites. They are companies like PCGamer and G4TV that are there for money, not for gamers.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Slowpokeking
11.26.2012 , 03:15 PM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
You are neglecting my point. My point is that is exactly what makes it feel single player. Would it be so hard for them to have multiplayer story? I dont think so, they do it in Black Talon. They do it in every single heroic quest.

This is suppose to be a multiplayer game, not an online single player game.
Come on, think about it .

FP and other planet quests' story pretty much end after 1 quest or at most after the planet. They are not going to affect the consequence of a big long chain, plus the other players got nothing to do with the previous stories you have. It will feel very weird since the other characters either didn't know what happened or they already did this part, nor should those NPC bother to ask them rather than the center of the story, YOU.

Such as I already killed Baras as the Emperor's Wrath, then I come to help my friend's SW, if I get involved in the story what should I say, how should the NPC react? It makes no sense at all.

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wrmrstacrdwower
11.26.2012 , 03:20 PM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
You are neglecting my point. My point is that is exactly what makes it feel single player. Would it be so hard for them to have multiplayer story? I dont think so, they do it in Black Talon. They do it in every single heroic quest.

This is suppose to be a multiplayer game, not an online single player game.
The difficulty with that though is designing it in a way that allows for the Star Wars lore to remain intact without adding or creating a new super hero mythos. With the way the Class quests are designed you basically replace the main icon that the specific Class Quest is based on. Essentially making it so that without that single player component Bioware would have no way of creating the Jedi or Sith mythos that determines or makes the player feel empowered. Which ultimately is the biggest flaw in the Class Quest design.
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Slowpokeking
11.26.2012 , 03:21 PM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by wrmrstacrdwower View Post
The difficulty with that though is designing it in a way that allows for the Star Wars lore to remain intact without adding or creating a new super hero mythos. With the way the Class quests are designed you basically replace the main icon that the specific Class Quest is based on. Essentially making it so that without that single player component Bioware would have no way of creating the Jedi or Sith mythos that determines or makes the player feel empowered. Which ultimately is the biggest flaw in the Class Quest design.
I didn't play pub but only Sith Inquistor is like that on the Empire side.

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Soluss
11.26.2012 , 03:22 PM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
Come on, think about it .

FP and other planet quests' story pretty much end after 1 quest or at most after the planet. They are not going to affect the consequence of a big long chain, plus the other players got nothing to do with the previous stories you have. It will feel very weird since the other characters either didn't know what happened or they already did this part, nor should those NPC bother to ask them rather than the center of the story, YOU.

Such as I already killed Baras as the Emperor's Wrath, then I come to help my friend's SW, if I get involved in the story what should I say, how should the NPC react? It makes no sense at all.
Still neglects my point, which is that it feels like a single player game.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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DarthMaulUK
11.26.2012 , 03:25 PM | #189
The only reason why this scored 8 with Eurogamer and other so called leading gaming sites is because EA purchased huge chunks of advertising space, which in turns increases the score for the game. Throw in EA's pure marketing muscle to a game that simply wont be allowed to have a poor metacritic score then you have our current situation.

The game at launch best deserved a 5 and is probably worth a 4 because it is not free to play. Free to play is something like Guild Wars 2, where there are hardly any/if any limitations in playing the actual game.

SWTOR could and should have really kicked the MMO genre in to gear but failed with a huge drop in subs in record time and the recent departures of those that lead the failure says it all.

Personally, I wish that EA would just stop farting around and turn this free to play with the shop to purchase customisation kits, armour, other goodies instead of having this 3 tier 'have and have nots' system.

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BadOrb
11.26.2012 , 03:25 PM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
You are neglecting my point. My point is that is exactly what makes it feel single player. Would it be so hard for them to have multiplayer story? I dont think so, they do it in Black Talon. They do it in every single heroic quest.

This is suppose to be a multiplayer game, not an online single player game.
The side quests are multi-player , totally and think on this for a moment imagine two jedi knights in a party and two troopers. So they go into the first jedi knights class quests and thus the second jedi knight , after being involved fully with the cut scenes , then has to do it all again and the other jedi also , it wouldn't work. It barely works now when we have to repeat the class story of our group. The same with the two troopers.

Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Really? I think the thread disproves you. Reall gaming sites do re-review games. Especially after a big change. The companies that dont are not real review sites. They are companies like PCGamer and G4TV that are there for money, not for gamers.
So you think adding F2P and Preferred changed the subbed game so much ( never mind all the other updates since they reviewed it first ) to warrant it going from 8/10 to 4/10 ? Yeah oooook then. Did he mention mod removal is now about 10% of what it used to be , or the fact subs get 6 quick bars , or the fact we can now get our speeders at level 15, or even that subs now get 500 CC per month to do what they want with. All the FP's and OP's etc etc. no he didn't his review is absolute rubbish and there is no denying it.

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