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Gamebreaking behaviour within hardmode flashpoints

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Gamebreaking behaviour within hardmode flashpoints

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Elear
11.24.2012 , 06:44 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Icestar View Post
One tank even left in the start saying "I only do fast runs" when we politely said that we need to kill all bosses to gear up.
He did smart thing, no reason to paint him as bad guy. His time wasn't wasted on something he doesn't enjoy(slow run), your time wasn't wasted on something you don't want(skipping bosses). Can't really blame him for that, as it's better than demanding that group submits to his will. He leaves and gives you chance for someone that will be willing to do same thing as you want.


Quote: Originally Posted by Icestar View Post
I can understand the need to skip regular mobs, they dont give anything useful in general at level 50
Not true. They allow you to play the game. Kill stuff, tank stuff, heal stuff. They give experience of doing that stuff. Just like people might need gear, they also might need practice. And running around mobs doing everything in your power to avoid aggro range can get just as boring as fighing 57th trash pack

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VigDiath
11.24.2012 , 08:16 AM | #12
I've had the same issue. I don't mind fighting bosses if we have the ability to get a good drop from that Boss. I got a Xenotech headpiece for my Mara that I would not have received if we had skipped the boss. It's still more powerful than the Tionese or Columi headgear in game. At the same time, my main aim now is more comms so I have no issue with skipping content to get to the end to get those comms.

I think it should be agreed upon when the match starts whether the group is skipping or pulling all bosses. If they are ok with fighting the bosses then stay. If not then leave. Don't be surprised if you have to wait longer for the queue though. Other option is doing a FP with memebers of your guild and letting them know what you need or friends you meet throughout the game.
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11.24.2012 , 08:28 AM | #13
Bioware gives out free gear to fresh 50s now that is better than what the skippable bosses drop. There is really no reason to do them...But if someone asks, I will usually do them.

That being said, OP, you really need to keep in mind that you are basically being carried for free loot by your groups, so you really don't have much right to complain.
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11.24.2012 , 09:25 AM | #14
tbh skipping trash is getting more and more anoying. Sometimes i like killing most trash for no other reason than to kill trash. Experiense the FP as it was ment to be experienced. Lately i have been plaing mostly new alts, and some people even skip in normal mode. Most times i can persuade people to do bonusboss and bonus objectives, but i just dont understand why everyone dont wanna do all bonusobjectives in a FP while leveling.

In Kaon and Lost Island we allways kill bonus boss when we do a guildrun. I know they dont drop upgrade, iīm not even sure they drop upgrades for any companon anymore, but we like completing a FP, and they are nice bossfights. Better than the average FP bossfight anyways.

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Fiamma_Verde
11.24.2012 , 10:46 AM | #15
I can't help but agree with the original poster here. Although I don't benefit from any of the hm drops or the bh comms anymore, I'll often que up just for something to do. It can be really frustrating to wait in que just to blow past everything.

What's even more frustrating is getting a group with a newish player who doesn't know how to skip. The rest of the group just blows ahead while the other guy is still getting on his speeder, and when somebody accidentally pulls the group is so spaced out it's near impossible to recover. Worst case scenario someboby ends up quitting because their speed run didn't go exactly as planned, when the wipe could have been avoided by a quick explaination.

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Icestar
11.24.2012 , 10:53 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Icebergy View Post
Bioware gives out free gear to fresh 50s now that is better than what the skippable bosses drop. There is really no reason to do them...But if someone asks, I will usually do them.

That being said, OP, you really need to keep in mind that you are basically being carried for free loot by your groups, so you really don't have much right to complain.
Hold on here for a moment, "carried by the team" ?

First : This is not a post about somebody getting carried by the team, it is about players skipping bosses incase you forgot I remind you again.

Second : This game and many other games are all about natural progression, you do something a little harder for your level and then get rewarded and so on. WoW for example as everyone knows has done this for almost 10 years and so do SWTOR. No player wants to enter a flashpoint killing grey mobs cheering they got that old rusty pickaxe that someone left there 1000 years ago.

Thirdly : Nobody has left the team because of anyone having bad gear, getting free loot it is not what this thread is about.

I am not even sure you read my original post but please do it again.

It is about the increasing problems with hard flaspoints where those that join them do not have even the opportunity to gear up since everything circles around completing the flashpoint quickest possible for some few comms.

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BanPearson
11.24.2012 , 10:58 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Fiamma_Verde View Post
What's even more frustrating is getting a group with a newish player who doesn't know how to skip. The rest of the group just blows ahead while the other guy is still getting on his speeder, and when somebody accidentally pulls the group is so spaced out it's near impossible to recover. Worst case scenario someboby ends up quitting because their speed run didn't go exactly as planned, when the wipe could have been avoided by a quick explaination.
Honestly, Battle of Ilum is the HM FP with most wipes and quits of all, including LI HM. And that even though it is one of the easiest, no matter if you skip or not. Once for example there was a commando healer with us on his first 50, and they didn't take the time to explain, wait for him etc. So he kept pulling aggro or dying from environment, and sometimes they tried to go back to help him and pulled another group on the way. Soon it was only him and me (gunnery commando). We played the entire FP alone with companions, skipping only the hardest bosses, which took a while. After our first wipe at the final boss, GF found 2 people for us.

I've played it with 2 dps + 2 companions before, and it was no problem at all. It's not hard, but very prone to wipes due to impatience and lack of communication.

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AidanLightwalker
11.24.2012 , 04:19 PM | #18
I hate when people skip. There are a dozen reasons not to:

1.) Daily comms drop off most mini bosses and some main bosses. Right now, almost everyone can benifit from daily comms. The list of things to buy and why are just to many to list.

2.). Every boss drops at least tionese crystals. Off hand weapons are cheap, 14 comms and 20 crystals (I think) and sell for 12.5k. Most runs will net you enough to buy at least 2. That's 25k, more than you get for the daily it's self.

3.). All the trash loot that can be sold to boost your income. With alot of playerd complaining about being poor, I don't know why more people are maximizeing thier credits potential.

4.). BoEs that can be sold from bosses and trash loot. Not to mention chances on Columi implants and ear pieces that can be dropped. Could be sold or go to companions. I personally love to send them to alts. Help get them into flashpoints without being a leeching scrub in recruit gear.

5.). Legacy xp. I know, some people don't care. But some do.

You see, there are alot of reasons to do all the bosses and clear the content. Notice that those are all selfish reasons and helping people gear up wasn't even mentioned. The next time you want to be selfish, at least do it right. And o yeah, bio and scavaging can get mats in the runs that they can either sell or make crafted goods for use or resale.

My #1 reason to not skip: needless wipes thwt cost me credits. >
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RendValor
11.24.2012 , 04:37 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Satedbuffalo View Post
I have no problem with this practice at all. Skipping bosses and as much trash as possible means better gear, faster.
This.

The only worthwhile gear from HM FPs is Columi, and Columi doesn't drop from trash bosses
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WillCaedes
11.24.2012 , 04:50 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Icestar View Post
This has become a very frustrating problem. I have geared characters myself but I would never dream of not killing a boss that could give someone a upgrade, infact it really upsets me.

I always check my own gear and others if they have lower hp then usual and say "Lets do all bosses, we have players in team that nees do to them"

Last night I did 6 Heroics using groupfinder and in only one of them we killed everything but in the other 5 there were problems. One tank even left in the start saying "I only do fast runs" when we politely said that we need to kill all bosses to gear up.

I wonder why this mechanics even is in play, to steamroll through the instance getting a few comms while the rest of the team that needs to be there and upgrade for tuture content gets left behind.

I can understand the need to skip regular mobs, they dont give anything useful in general at level 50 but to skip bosses is plain dumb unless all in the team got what they need.

As a DPS it can take around 30 minutes to 2-3 hours to get a pop with groupfinder and it is REALLY frustrating to hear that the only way the flashpoint is going to be made is a super quickrun straight to the final boss.

This needs to be diskussed, perhaps BIOWARE can implement some kind of lock that the flashpoint canīt complete without all bosses dead. That would be awesome and save alot of griefing from players that fail to understand that others need to gear up aswell, not only run fast through for a few comms.
Funny you should mention this, seeing as I was being rushed by an undergeared DPS SORC through Battle of Illum. I wanted to kill bosses, they wanted a comm run. Needless to say it became a comm run.

Still tho, this is ridiculous, if you don't like to skip mobs and love to spend 30-1hr clearing 1 flashpoint in the time you could clear 2-3 flashpoints for bigger and better gear in less than 45 minutes, by all means stay out of my group and find another. As a tank I take the stance of: If its skippable, we're skipping it, and if you pull it, I'm going to taunt it off of you, hold aggro, and then once their down chide you about how to skip bosses. Some of us 50's don't have all day to spend on one instance to gear up one player. And to be frank? You wanna gear up at end-game? Find a good raiding guild to carry you through some SM EV or SM KP. The only real benefits of HM FP's right now is the Black Hole comms, unless they change drops.
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