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Seriously Devs with the OP Powertechs/Vanguards

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Seriously Devs with the OP Powertechs/Vanguards

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MidichIorian
11.23.2012 , 03:15 PM | #11
Doesnt strike me as a big issue anymore. It seems like all the fotmers got the idea that mara is better and moved on to that instead. This is a good thing because mara, regardless of how easy "that spec" is said to be, is still far more complex than PT so a good deal of the fotmers havent figured it out yet.

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Vacarius
11.23.2012 , 03:18 PM | #12
I think the main concerns with powertechs is that they're really easy to do well with. Their lack of surviability counters them quite well in a group setting, but I think making the class a bit more difficult to play would benefit everyone, both the top guys who find them boring to play and the lesser players who think they're good.
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Chlomamf
11.23.2012 , 03:20 PM | #13
Never had an issue killing either on my Sniper/Sin. Legshot+Explosive Probe+Ambush=a Vanguards health down by a hell-of-alot. Easy pickings from there on out.

And I used legshot first so they don't run behind an obstacle to interrupt my Ambush.

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DarthSabreth
11.23.2012 , 03:21 PM | #14
I used to be an advocate of bashing PT's/VG's with there high bust dps, however i was always told to walk a mile in another persons shoes before you complain about them.

It is true there burst is high but it has to be, they have very few defensive capabilities and do die very easlily. if they do not have a pocket healer they are very easy to burn down lest they are a tank speck then they have low dps but high survivability.

despite there high dps they are a support role in pvp only, the best use for them is in HB for grappling a ball carrier to a trap or away from the goal. other than that if they are alone and are equally geared then they will fall fast, you just have to get past their burst rotation.

In my opinion the mara / sent classes are the ones in desperate need of a look over, they have the best of both worlds.
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DarthRaika
11.23.2012 , 03:31 PM | #15
What happens is you see a pt/vguard with a guard and a healer and he just destroys your pug over and over. However you take a really geared sniper/war/sin and do that they will as well. In an even match most vguards are not the major threats.

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Ahebish
11.23.2012 , 03:40 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Couver View Post
You know, there's quite a few threads complaining about every class (except mercs/commandos) being OP. Could it be that this game might actually be fairly balanced?

The real problem is cc.
Hi

I'm a concealment... please don't laugh at me to hard.

I just wanted to put my 2 cents in because I've done it on 20-30 threads so far.

And I won't even mention the fact we got nerf'd 6 *********** times in a row.

I won't even mention what Georgie puddin pie said in my signature about our class... NOT any other class.

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bglodt
11.23.2012 , 03:41 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by United_Strafes View Post
Riiiight a heavy armor, ridiculous DPS class needs cooldowns and "escape mechanics" ok buddy.
Heavy armor doesn't do squat in pvp... Look at commandos/mercs and the other two trees of the vanguard.... One AC has good burst and damage.... Though it requires 10 m range to be effective.... And none of their burst is aoe. Shoot I wanna roll on that server since typically it's a smash spec tgat tops dps charts on my server.... And with far fewer deaths.
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I play the vaunted 31/31/31 spec... It's not that good though.

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Ahebish
11.23.2012 , 03:42 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRaika View Post
What happens is you see a pt/vguard with a guard and a healer and he just destroys your pug over and over. However you take a really geared sniper/war/sin and do that they will as well. In an even match most vguards are not the major threats.
And in every match noone really cares about concealments as a threat because the concensus is they are non factors to worry about compared to all the other overpowered classes in the game.

You got it exactly right Raika.

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bglodt
11.23.2012 , 03:45 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRaika View Post
What happens is you see a pt/vguard with a guard and a healer and he just destroys your pug over and over. However you take a really geared sniper/war/sin and do that they will as well. In an even match most vguards are not the major threats.
Lol I agree! You can put any dps class... Any dps class.... Put a guard on them and give them a dedicated healer, and they will seem OP.
Zenick Bladeborne, 50 Vanguard, Tranquility, JC
Zenfor Bladeborne, 50 Jedi Sentinel, Tranquility, JC

I play the vaunted 31/31/31 spec... It's not that good though.

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foxmob
11.23.2012 , 05:21 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Rassuro View Post
TBH out of all of the threads about overpowered classes, the complaining about Powertech/Vanguard is the only one which I've never really been able to see in game in my own experience. Personally I've never had particularly big trouble with that class overall, only against a few specific players who have played that class very well. Not after the 1.4 nerf, and not before either.

At least from my own experience, there has always been other classes who have been FOTM, never PT/VG, both in the sense of a FOTM class being really powerful, and in the sense of a FOTM class being really popular.
it's probably the highest burst, hardest to kite dps. I guess there are higher burst dpsers, but in general, it's easy to do very high burst on a PT/VG without any setup.

i've been running assault VG a lot the past couple weeks, and I can 1v1 most ppl, but I definitely have my kryptonite.

opening:
  1. taunt* + sticky
  2. hammershot (2x usually applies dot)
  3. hib (if dot) | ion pulse (if no dot) followed by hib
  4. ip/ss
  5. hib

*in the "real world," I don't run in on someone who's looking right at me. so he's prolly engaged with someone else. hence the taunt. the only exceptions are prolly a lone guard in NC/CW.

if I really want the burst, I'll drop incendiary + assault plastique immediately after my first hib proc (5). otherwise, it's just ip/ss. stun/int as needed. dcds as needed. taunt w/e you can.

pluses:
  • I cannot be kited. everything I do is an instant, and I apply my cell 100% of the time inside of 10m and on average, every 2 hammer shots (30m) will do it. if I get you inside of 10m w/o using grapple, you aren't getting away w/o stealth.
  • I enjoy killing sage/commando healers that are guarded by pure tanks. the tanks can't hurt me, and they're half dead by the time I've killed their healer.
  • great burst. able to keep distance from warriors/knights in open space environs.
  • no problem with snipers/gs as long as I'm not stupid about the environ in which I pick a fight (where I can get knocked back)

negatives:
  • shadows/assassins absolutely destroy me. the dpses and hybrids in particular. I can't burst them down. I can't stun through resil the way I can with maras. for same reason, can't kite during shroud. the dpsers do way to much burst to a fairly fragile dps (me) for me to just take it while their immunity ticks away.
  • operatives. they don't scare me, but their lockdown abils make me an easy kill for anyone else. i mean...ops do enough dmg alone; if one locks me up while I"m in a fight, I'm done.
  • lolsmashers. i'm midrange, but let's face it: I"m essentially melee. I can solo just about any lolsmasher from full hp and whatnot, but that's not what kills me. it's the other lolsmasher. they can cover an awful lot of ground. it's very difficult to be melee and avoid them. unlike my sin, the vg has no natural defense against the smasher. and I can't heal myself. ironically, I have an easier time killing smashers on the medic.

if you want to look at numbers, lolsmashers of equal gear will almost double my dps in a wz. same for gs. I will destroy undergeared anybodies all day, but a properly geared and talented anybody will either kill me or bring me so low that I can get 2 shot by an auto attack. so no. I don't feel the least be op. then again, I'm not the greatest vg.
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