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Dual blade lightsaber VS Dual lightsabers

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Ventessel
12.10.2012 , 06:57 AM | #31
In 1 on 1 combat, single sabers tend to be most effective, although using a shorter guard saber or shoto as an offhand weapon can be effective with proper training.

Double bladed sabers would be more useful in carving through a crowd of adversaries, and wielding two lightsabers together is, well, pretty stupid. I don't know if you've ever tried it, but what ends up happening is either a pattern of repeating or alternating attacks, and anyone with a single blade turns them aside easily and punches through the center of your defenses.
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gumbydpl
12.10.2012 , 09:06 AM | #32
So I used to do LARPing (think of it as live action D&D) every month. We used very light PVC/foam weapons to fight with. I used dual wield swords, mostly for the versatility of them. I could use one up and one down for more defense, or both up for more offence (there were a lot of people who used sword and shield, but that doesn't apply here). There were hundreds of us who played and we had tournaments every year. No one ever used a Bo Staff (double bladed light saber) because they were an easy target. And no one ever used a single sword. I won my divisions tourney a couple of times using two swords. Every time someone swung at me high, you block with one sword and swing at the legs with the other.

There is a lot of theory in this thread, but I can say from experience. Two swords are better than one, and better than a staff.

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Ventessel
12.11.2012 , 06:15 AM | #33
Ah, and therein lies the problem with LARPing. No one is trying to kill you.

The most effective attacks with a single sword are narrow cuts to the throat and straight thrusts inside the pelvic region and below the ribcage. Since lightsabers don't let you bleed an opponent out, but do cut neatly through just about everything, the attacks against the throat and torso are likely to be the most fatal.

You never swing high or low when fighting someone with two swords, since they'll do precisely what you described there. Instead, you keep your weapon centered and focus your attack against their centerline, where it is impossible to properly defend with two swords. There's a very good reason that no one ever fought with two swords in real battles. Germanic longsword techniques and Japanese katana usage is the most effective demonstration of a single sword, while certain Italian fencing techniques make good use of a defensive dagger in the offhand, but never two equal-length weapons.

Also, as an afterthought: a single sword gives tremendous leverage when you properly use both hands to control the weapon, and allows you to change angles much faster. Holding two swords inevitably leads to wider, sweeping attacks that lack the acceleration of a single blade.
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Slowpokeking
12.11.2012 , 01:45 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Ventessel View Post
Ah, and therein lies the problem with LARPing. No one is trying to kill you.

The most effective attacks with a single sword are narrow cuts to the throat and straight thrusts inside the pelvic region and below the ribcage. Since lightsabers don't let you bleed an opponent out, but do cut neatly through just about everything, the attacks against the throat and torso are likely to be the most fatal.

You never swing high or low when fighting someone with two swords, since they'll do precisely what you described there. Instead, you keep your weapon centered and focus your attack against their centerline, where it is impossible to properly defend with two swords. There's a very good reason that no one ever fought with two swords in real battles. Germanic longsword techniques and Japanese katana usage is the most effective demonstration of a single sword, while certain Italian fencing techniques make good use of a defensive dagger in the offhand, but never two equal-length weapons.

Also, as an afterthought: a single sword gives tremendous leverage when you properly use both hands to control the weapon, and allows you to change angles much faster. Holding two swords inevitably leads to wider, sweeping attacks that lack the acceleration of a single blade.
They don't have to defend, just attack you first and force you to take back your attack, or move away with it.

Real dual sword is pointless because it's not good for chop, only stab, but lightsaber is different.

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Ventessel
12.11.2012 , 07:39 PM | #35
How do you take back an attack? They're usually fairly irrevocable once you commit to a course of action. Most good angles of attack provide deflection at the same time as driving towards your target.
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LegendaryBlade
12.12.2012 , 01:53 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by gumbydpl View Post
So I used to do LARPing (think of it as live action D&D) every month. We used very light PVC/foam weapons to fight with. I used dual wield swords, mostly for the versatility of them. I could use one up and one down for more defense, or both up for more offence (there were a lot of people who used sword and shield, but that doesn't apply here). There were hundreds of us who played and we had tournaments every year. No one ever used a Bo Staff (double bladed light saber) because they were an easy target. And no one ever used a single sword. I won my divisions tourney a couple of times using two swords. Every time someone swung at me high, you block with one sword and swing at the legs with the other.

There is a lot of theory in this thread, but I can say from experience. Two swords are better than one, and better than a staff.
With all due respect, I don't see LARP'ing being full of very credible swordsmen; martial, sport, or otherwise. Most LARP's i've seen, while fun, are a lot more randon and chaotic because it's just a lot of people, most with no experience wielding a weapon, just having fun. There's nothing wrong with that, but it does not make for impressive swordsmanship.

A single sword is, generally, more of a proper weapon than wielding two swords; and in battlefield situations like the ones LARPs imitate sword/shield should always come out ontop, but only if people are properly practiced. You don't swing high/low generally, you strike for center mass, generally from just below the neckline and down towards the hip.

When you're in sort of a lowbie area of skill, like in a LARP, two swords probably work because people aren't trained for proper weapon control and how to handle the chaotic, and likely consistent offensive two swords would offer. I think if you flooded a LARP with, say, ARMA students or some such you wouldn't see anybody using two weapons.

That said, of the PVC weapons i've held, they're often too uncomfortable and unwieldy for proper technique. I am sure that isn't always the case though...
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