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Why did the Sith Empire crumble and fail?

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Why did the Sith Empire crumble and fail?

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BlazingShadow
11.20.2012 , 02:23 PM | #11
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I think its unlikely that the sith empire could fall in such a way that it could be considered Canon in the terms of the Extended Universe. You have an empire that spands the galaxy that has brought the republic to its knees and yet is not even mentioned in any of the books. Because when they were written it hadn't happened.

So from that point of view trying to tie it in would be difficult. A little like where in the Heir to the Empire stories the clone masters are refered to as mad and the enemies of the republic but in the clone wars were the people that allowed the republic to fight. You can't always tie things in so as far as TOR goes and an MMO goes the empire could very much win.

It will never be Canon but then there are things in the movies that aren't even Canon, Leia says she remembers her mother her true mother, Obi Wan never remembers owning a droid that belonged to his padawan and Han Solo and Chewie who has travelled from one edge of the Galaxy to the other knows nothing of Jedi and the force yet they were only hunted down in his life time and the walking carpet knew Yoda.

So as far as the empire falling it may never be explained in the life of tor.
this is so wrong.

Leia says she remembers only bits and pieces of her mother and that she was sad in her memories. You CAN have memories from that long ago, FYI.

Han and Chewie travelled across the galaxy and never came across anything that made them believe some force was "in control of his destiny". HUGE DIFFERENCE from being in control of your destiny and the physical power of the force and the jedi.

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Beniboybling
11.20.2012 , 02:59 PM | #12
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this is so wrong.

Leia says she remembers only bits and pieces of her mother and that she was sad in her memories. You CAN have memories from that long ago, FYI.

Han and Chewie travelled across the galaxy and never came across anything that made them believe some force was "in control of his destiny". HUGE DIFFERENCE from being in control of your destiny and the physical power of the force and the jedi.
BlazingShadow is right here. The whole Leia thing has been explained:
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Although the Organas were not trying to hide the fact that Leia was adopted, they never informed the Princess of her true parentage, nor did they reveal the existence of her twin brother. However, during the short time between her birth and her mother's death, Leia gained a faint memory of her mother as a beautiful and kind, yet sad woman. ~ Wookieepedia
So partially through her own memory and through the Force, Leia retained an image of her mother which matches Padme's description (especially at the time) perfectly. You may say, but how is that possible? Even with the Force and at such a young age? But remember what Yoda says:
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"Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future...the past...old friends long gone."
But anyway, I don't want to get too bogged down in that.

BlazingShadow is also right about Han and Chewbacca, they never said they hadn't met Jedi, Han just says he doesn't trust the Force. And even without the prequels this doesn't make sense. As Obi-Wan mentions lots of Jedi used to exist, so Han would have knew about them.

So as you can see, this sort of thing can and has been corrected very easily. It would be even more easy here. Plageuis has already been given mentions of Vitiate, as have other characters. And new EU following on from these events can easily be written. Just because no one mentions it 2,000 odd years later (why would they?) doesn't mean it can't work.

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Pernicia
11.27.2012 , 01:13 PM | #13
The Empire are too busy killing each other off to focus on the Republic. If you've played the IA, SW, and SI through Corellia it comes abundantly clear why this incarnation is doomed.

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Scathe
11.29.2012 , 12:25 AM | #14
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The Empire are too busy killing each other off to focus on the Republic. If you've played the IA, SW, and SI through Corellia it comes abundantly clear why this incarnation is doomed.

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Beniboybling
11.29.2012 , 01:38 AM | #15
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When you look at the overall big picture, they are bad for the Empire - both parties should never have caused trouble in the first place, but their desire for power drove them to act.