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Bioware's Plans for Operatives


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Yagabage
11.09.2012 , 06:00 PM | #1
I recently started playing SWTOR again and was really excited to play a concealment operative. Now everyone is telling me that they are a useless class PVE wise which is a shame because I really like to both PVE and PVP. Anyone know if Bioware plans to buff operative dps? If it is as low as eveyrone is saying they have to do something...right?

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warultima
11.09.2012 , 07:59 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Yagabage View Post
I recently started playing SWTOR again and was really excited to play a concealment operative. Now everyone is telling me that they are a useless class PVE wise which is a shame because I really like to both PVE and PVP. Anyone know if Bioware plans to buff operative dps? If it is as low as eveyrone is saying they have to do something...right?
Operative is far from useless. You will do very well as an operative healer in both PvP and PvE. And if you dont mind being as slightly gimped version DPS compare to premium DPS ACs like marauders and such you can also do fine as DPS. You just cant go derpaderpa and expect to be successful like smashmonkeys or pyro PT.
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Yagabage
11.09.2012 , 09:00 PM | #3
I don't mind slightly underpowered but the way I heard it, it seemed like there's no reason to go dps on an operative.

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Chaqen
11.09.2012 , 10:04 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Yagabage View Post
I don't mind slightly underpowered but the way I heard it, it seemed like there's no reason to go dps on an operative.
I have always healed on my operative, but the other day i respeced into lethality to mess around on a dummy, and was able to do about 1500-1600 dps being camp/dg geared (my gear was optimized for heals btw). I figure if i was to optimize my gear and learn the rotation (which is tricky and sorta messy), i would be able to break 1700... In a operation though where i wouldnt have the greatest uptime (mainly due to the lack of being able to gain a TA from >4m range) i would be rather lower majority of the time, but still high enough to get things done.

I also have a lethality sniper and a annihilation speced marauder though, who can break 2k dps on a dummy with a bit more ease then playing the lethality operative. Hell i have an arsenal merc (yea i know i have to many alts) who can break 1800-1950 dps, with an extreme amount of ease.

The thing is that operative dps isnt viable, it is that other classes do it better, and are easier to play (easier a class is to play, more likely you will see people play it well; harder a class is to play, more likely you will see people fail; if you see 90% of OP dps fail rather hard, you will start to think OP dps is crap.), so there is no incentive to play one.

I think if they added a few QoL (Quality of Life) changes to the spec things would be better. The two biggest things i would like to see is, overload shot granting tactical advantage (they could make it share a cooldown with shiv even to balance things out if need be), and make it where hidden strike can be used when you're not in stealth but for a reduced amount of damage, or add a special effect (ex. armour penetration, energy regen, damage boost) when it been used from stealth.

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warultima
11.10.2012 , 03:27 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Yagabage View Post
I don't mind slightly underpowered but the way I heard it, it seemed like there's no reason to go dps on an operative.
It's not that there's no reason to play DPS operative, its mainly due to other classes can do it better, and easier as well. If you cant even outdps marauder on a dummy (equal gear and skilled you will never ever touch marauders dps btw) the difference will be even greater in operations. Reason is simple your uptime will be lower, and you are a melee dps without a real gap closer on super short cooldown like force charge, and depending on mechanics where you cant connect your TA can expire and drop off because its only up for such a short time.

Similarly to arsenal merc, they have 30m effective range, extremely easy rotation, and naturally higher dps than you do as a dps operative. (yes even if you execute a perfect rotation AND assuming you would have 100% uptime).

In short, in PvE, ALL CLASSES (unless the player is stupid and fail) can easily out DPS you. In PvP, other than healing (which you said you want to DPS) Assassins can do everything you do but better,

Sins provide great group utilities, one of the best 1v1 classes as well, can taunt and AoE taunt, have much more survivability than you ever will, with some setup they also out burst you, they have real gap closer on short CD like force speed so they are even more mobile than you do, and every minute they can extend their force lightning (one of their most damaging attacks) to 30m up to 3 shots, if they take madness they have a hard hitting 30m aoe they can use as well on a very short CD. They also have passive self heal in 2 of their trees which happens "automatically" (no lolcasting) while they are DPSing, lastly you got no force shroud nuff said.

Oh and some noob sins will tell you you can heal as DPS operative (as an attempt to justify their prowess over operatives), which is true, but your heals are extremely laughable without "enough" points in medicine tree.

My advise to you is play whatever you like and dont listen to what others have to say. If you get kicked by the Ops leader just get use to it, life on an operative DPS is rough, theres a reason why they are the absolutely least desired DPS AC in the entire game PvP and PvE (at least merc/commando excel in PvE dps).
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CNS_Sarajevo
11.10.2012 , 06:58 AM | #6
Unless you're doing PVP, just play what you like. I played a concealment operative and loved it. It takes more finesse than other options, but that's why you picked the class.

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CaptainApop
11.10.2012 , 07:34 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Yagabage View Post
I don't mind slightly underpowered but the way I heard it, it seemed like there's no reason to go dps on an operative.
MMO players are nothing if not melodramatic.
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tatatan
11.10.2012 , 11:02 AM | #8
Hi there,
current status of DPS ops from my personal statistics (have thread on it in IA forum):
out of the 63 WZs played
Lethality = 0
Concealment = 6
Medics = 37

I will not comment on this here - i do on other thread, numbers speaks for itself. Only words coming to my mind is R.I.P..our beloved DPS ...

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Chiltonium
11.10.2012 , 01:10 PM | #9
one thing to watch in operations, and even in pvp, its almost as if operatives forget they have ranged attacks.

They'll get tossed back, or the mob will run away, and they will chase it spamming backstab until the get close enough. Having lost plenty of time for multiple rifle shots, and probably an overload shot.

NEVER sneeze at overload shot or rifle shot.

Energy Low and you need 1 second to let it tick up? Rifle shot.
Crap My Collateral Strike didnt proc a return on my TA? : Overload Shot
Same as above but im kinda low on energy as well? Double rifle shot.

A ton of the parses / complaining I have seen people hardly ever use rifle shot. SOME forget to keep poison dart up at all times and lose TA procs from collateral.

Do the above, remember your rifle shots, your overload shots, and your corrosive dart, and I promise you you'll do enough DPS for people to be satisfied.

That being said, you wont be top dps, but all these nerfs keep hitting us like trucks. That backstab nerf murdered us. Honestly if you love the operative for the playstyle and not the story / RP factor of being an imperial agent, play a dcepetion assassin. They now have everything we had, really, and WAY more survivability now. They're burst monsters with 55% damage resistance.
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chuixupu
11.10.2012 , 01:17 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainApop View Post
MMO players are nothing if not melodramatic.
^ True.

You like playing operatives and you know how to min/max your stats and play it well, you'll be fine. The problem comes down to a pug group asking what classes they want, and if you look at utility, dps operatives just don't have anything that makes you feel like you NEED them . But they aren't the only class that has that complaint. They've got a bad rap because they ttend to parse a bit below others of equal gearing, and that causes people to get overly dramatic about it and declare they're "useless" and "garbage". People like being chart toppers.

As for future plans, we know we're getting new abilities, most likely with the level cap, so hopefully they're hard at work getting some real pve balance for operatives (I can dream?)
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