An in-depth look at: The Mandalorian Wars

That's a very good point. But haven't the Jedi fought other wars without falling to the emotions around them?

But I agree, the Jedi should have entered the war as generals and advisors, with a few Jedi sprinkled in there to provide leadership on the front lines (only the wiser Jedi would do this). Would you agree that this is likely the best course of action?

Yes, it's possible that Revan would still turn to the darkside (but very unlikely), but Revan wouldn't be able to turn all his followers to the darkside because he wouldn't have any followers. If anyone fell to the darkside, it would have been a few individuals, no entire armies. Don't forget the soldiers. They would'nt have turned either because of the support of the Jedi.

You dare... (I kid, sort of - heck who am I kidding. DIE!)

I think what people need to realise though, it that while Kreia was a manipulating witch (or as Atton prefers, old scow ) she was capable of telling the truth, and didn't lie for the sake of lying, or because she had a mental disorder (she's not GLaDOS people). She only told lies to further her own agenda. We can categorize what she says into 3 sections: Lies and Manipulations, Cryptic Jedi Speak, Her Beliefs. What she says here slots into the 'Her Beliefs' section, as does all the other stuff she tells you about the Insidious Force, the True Sith and compassion etcera. This stuff is as truth as truth can get. But its subjective, so we can't say for sure. All we know is that Kreia was the most well-versed in the subject of Revan - arguably nobody new about his past better, not even Bastila. No doubt she came to this decision when investigating his past, so we can only assume she found some evidence to support this. But then again, it could have just been an attempt to prove that she was right and the Jedi were wrong, maybe she's just in denial. We can't say for sure (we can say she believes this to be true, she's not lying it that sense)

But what Kreia says is a springboard, by looking at the facts we can see logic and truth in her argument. You may remember in KOTOR 2 (you may never have got this dialogue), but Mical 'cracks it' if you like. He realises that Revan's conquest was not your run of the mill invasion, but a preservation, as if he was preparing for an invasion. His love for the Republic is also another factor. But we can't say what was going on in his head for sure, or how corrupted by the dark side he had become. And to be honest, the opinion that Revan never 'fell' to the dark side is an opinion, its purely subjective and can't really be backed up by facts, even if Revan believed this was true, you could argue against him, you can just accept it or reject it. SHE WASN'T LYING THOUGH! *tears out hair* Why does no one believe her? *starts sobbing*

Wow, my threads are always looong... (I spend more time here than playing the game) I'm not a ranter people, just got a lot to say.

EDIT: I forgot to mention this, too caught up in my rage. But lets say none of the events surrounding Malachor, the Emperor never happened. But the Mandalorian Wars did and Revan was involved and did the same things. Why would he turn to the dark side? (not rhetorical, I'm genuinely interested) I can't think of a reason he would embrace the Sith and war against the Republic, with no other Sith to turn him.

EDIT AGAIN: I think Malak is the real problem here, not Revan.

I disagree with you on option two. The Republic wouldn't have been destroyed. The Core Worlds are pretty tough, I doubt the Mandalorians would have conquered them. At some point the Republic would have stopped them.
If the Sith joined the war then, the real threat would be revealed and the Empire would have to fight the Jedi Order at full might.

Well let's look at the other wars.

Wars with the Sith- The Jedi fight the Sith in the Force, Light versus Dark. In this case, the Jedi resist the darkness that the Sith unleash through their Jedi training. The Jedi of the Old Republic were trained to fight the Sith and the Darkness they unleash. The emotions of the Mandalorians are different as it is a lust for battle. Fighting the Mandalorians gives in to that lust for battle and allowed the Jedi to "receive" the Mandalorians emotions better, corrupting them.

Wars with droids- Droids don't have thoughts that Jedi pick up on, hence no Jedi falling from wars with droids, unless a Sith intervenes.

Wars with mercs- Specifically the Stark Hyperspace War. The enemy the Jedi fought were really just mercs. Hired guns, I believe. To them it was just a job. If they did have any aggressive emotions, the Jedi of this time were trained to master their own emotions and suppress them.

The Mandalorian Wars taught the Jedi to get a better grip on their emotions, to control them better to prevent another Jedi Civil War.

The Jedi should have entered the war as advisors and "back-seat" generals. Commanding the troops from a safe distance, but placing their best Jedi on the front for some extra firepower. By best I mean Jedi that are the most adhered to the Light.

Revan had the Star Forge and his charisma. I don't doubt his ability to recruit people to join him. If he couldn't then he could just use the Star Forge droids as crews for his fleets.

Let me ask you all a few questions.

Do you feel Revan was right to go to war?
Do you think his actions during the war were right?

Long story short: Kreia lies, but there is small truths embeded within them. She also believes what she is saying which can be very dangerous.

Revan was falling to the Dark Side during the war. Malachor gave him that final push. Say he never went to Malachor. His fall would have been slower. If the Jedi acted quickly, they could stop him. But that could be as successful as trying to get a drug abuser to rehab. They would have to approach Revan carefully as Revan doesn't really care for the Council that much anymore.

You make a great point (and I mostly agree with you - especially about the way in which the Jedi should fight) , but I disagree with your comparison between Mandos and Sith.

If a Jedi can avoid being caught up in the emotions of a Sith, then why couldn't they avoid the same with Mandos? I'm not saying that the Mandos and Sith are the same. But they both heavily rely on emotions (and they both share a blood lust).

As for the Clone Wars, you make the point that the enemy of the Jedi were droids. What about the men that the Jedi fought along side? What about the clones? They certainly used emotions (although they didn't rely heavily on them - the fact remains).

But yeah... I would definately say that if you can resist the emotions of a Sith, then you can resist the emotions of a Mando.

Yes, No. The principle was right, the Jedi Council had effectively failed (as in they failed to act on their findings/come up with a plausible and tangible strategy) So Revan felt he had no choice - seeing as the Republic were winning the war I can absolutely 100% see why he rushed to its defence.

However, perhaps he was wrong in certain ways. For example it is not the Jedi way to rush into battle without meditating on the enemy first - thats reckless and foolhardy. But as I was writing this it got me thinking, their are two scenarios here. 1. The Council informed Revan and perhaps other Jedi of their findings, that their was something else behind the war and the danger it posed. Or 2. the Council hid their findings from Revan for whatever reason.
If 1. is the case, then Revan in a sense wasn't rushing into battle without knowledge of his foe, but simply felt it was time to act. If 2. is the case, then the Council acted foolishly and are entirely responsible for Revan's actions. Either way my answer to the first question remains the same, yes.

As for the second, I said no because their is no excuse for atrocities, Revan only proved the Council right and inflicted further pain on the galaxy. I can understand why, but I don't advocate it.

And may I add a question to your list:
Do you think Revan's fall could have been prevented?

^^this is the key question. If the answer is a definite no, then the events that transpired where inevitable.

Let me ask you all a few questions.

Do you feel Revan was right to go to war?
Do you think his actions during the war were right?