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MMO-PvP and You: A Guide to Growth

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MMO-PvP and You: A Guide to Growth

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Doomsdaycomes
11.07.2012 , 03:41 PM | #31
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PADME!!!! When she talking to Anakin about Obi-Wan's "gear gap". Attack of the Clones....


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L-RANDLE
11.07.2012 , 03:58 PM | #32
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Its ok... It happens...

We can still be forum friends.....lol...
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Theodulus
11.07.2012 , 04:04 PM | #33
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@Theodulus: Within that quote, is specifies "The Game knows no rules of Honor" not that "The game knows no rules." I'll consider switching the quotes around, but I find it is difficult to say all things in one quote. We must certianly understand the difference between legal and illegal moves, which is where "Where is the Line?" expresses that. It may seem like a bit of an Oxymoron, but we should all have a sense of "Honesty," even if our fights are not held by rules of "Honor."
Fair enough but perhaps clarify that you deal with it in post/chapter 6. You can interpret the no honor part as it may be ok to cheat to win even though I assume most don't. Just nitpicking.

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Quinlynn
11.07.2012 , 04:25 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
There is No Honor

I feel this post will be fairly short, but it is the toughest subject I personally faced. I apologize that my words will mirror closely with the text I've asked all to read, but Sirlin perhaps puts it best.

As the title states, there is no honor in PvP. In any game, there are legal moves and illegal moves. A legal move in an MMO can often walk a grey line, considering the buggy nature of such a beast. Simply put though, a legal move in PvP is any tool, ability, or action that the game allows you to make, that has not be explicitly ruled by the Dev's as a bug.

To elaborate:

1. Grouping up to 4 is a legal move. Game mechanics do not prohibit it.
2. Consumables are a legal move. Game mechanics do not prohibit it.
3. Gear is a legal move. Game mechanics do not prohibit it.
4. Running away from a fight is a legal move. Game Mechanics do not prohibit it.
5. etc...

Illegal moves will be covered in a future section.

The most crucial thing any player can take from this concept is that there are no "cheap moves." If the game allows, players will use it. Not using it is gimping yourself.
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Pvtcarnage
11.07.2012 , 05:53 PM | #35
Great post, PvP/mmo is a hobby for me. I don't get upset over losing in pugs or otherwise, there's always something to learn. First thing I learned in online PvP is that playing with random people can be fun but will never be as fun as grouping up with like minded players that like to squeeze every ounce of "advantage" possible out of what the game lets you do and of course I don't mean hacks/cheats.

Online pvp gaming has always been about competition and working your way up to try to compete with the top teams for most people. So I really don't get this new wave of players that want to turn it into some tic/tac/toe game (a game that takes no skill and ends in tie). The fun is making advancement and improvement in your play thru playing and learning what works. I will never get these people who use the term "fairness" in relation to PvP since they have all the options available to them that i do....Only difference is what THEY choose to do about it.
"Equality is a perversion of the natural order!…It binds the strong to the weak. They [the weak] become anchors that drag the exceptional down to mediocrity. Individuals destined and deserving of greatness have it denied them.
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Doomsdaycomes
11.07.2012 , 06:00 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Pvtcarnage View Post
Great post, PvP/mmo is a hobby for me. I don't get upset over losing in pugs or otherwise, there's always something to learn. First thing I learned in online PvP is that playing with random people can be fun but will never be as fun as grouping up with like minded players that like to squeeze every ounce of "advantage" possible out of what the game lets you do and of course I don't mean hacks/cheats.

Online pvp gaming has always been about competition and working your way up to try to compete with the top teams for most people. So I really don't get this new wave of players that want to turn it into some tic/tac/toe game (a game that takes no skill and ends in tie). The fun is making advancement and improvement in your play thru playing and learning what works. I will never get these people who use the term "fairness" in relation to PvP since they have all the options available to them that i do....Only difference is what THEY choose to do about it.
I believe it' a fundemental flaw in their definition of MMO's and MMO-PvP.

I can see, how coming from a FPS or other pvp games that offer match making might cause them to believe fairness is based on the moment they encounter some one. Yet an MMO has history to each character. You are not nameless respawn #3 weilding the medic load out. Your character is built, fairness comes from the fact you have as many options as the other player, and your effort in taking them is reflected.

=P of course, that's not directed at you. I wonder some other thoughts on why people have strayed from MMO-PVP into Matchmaking-esque stuff.

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HuaRya
11.07.2012 , 07:02 PM | #37
This is a great way to motivate new PVP'ers to act as farm fodder for seasoned guilds looking for a constant supply of medals.

Uninspiring and slightly demoralizing.

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Arlanon
11.07.2012 , 07:45 PM | #38
This applies to Expertise whiners, Premade Whiners, guildless whiners, people who get mad and take losses personally, etc.

Sirlin's book is spot-on, and can be applied to ANY game. I think internet society is on an incredible downward spiral. I am surprised at the lack of flaming you have recieved for writing this.

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Doomsdaycomes
11.07.2012 , 09:20 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlanon View Post
This applies to Expertise whiners, Premade Whiners, guildless whiners, people who get mad and take losses personally, etc.

Sirlin's book is spot-on, and can be applied to ANY game. I think internet society is on an incredible downward spiral. I am surprised at the lack of flaming you have recieved for writing this.
Though I'm trying to be open and non-aggressive in these writings, I will allow myself one small joke: <.< I wonder if I haven't been flamed too badly yet because it's to much work for them to read it all.

@HauRya: I'm sorry the message did not appeal to you, and I had hoped it would atleast speak to all on some level. If you have suggestions I would gladly hear them. I believe if all the "Fodder" applied Sirlin (and some of my words) to themselves, they would cease to be "Fodder."