BW, do you ever plan on addressing DPS Mercs/Commandos PvP-wise?

Now that we're can finally test it's obvious that Hold the Line is the buff they gave us.
With it's long cooldown electro - net isn't nearly as useful as I thought it'd be. It's more of a gimmick that you can play with a few times a match. It's so rare people don't even know it's there and it doesn't do nearly enough damage to make it a game changer for the class.

Finding pretty much the same thing in pugged warzones myself, though electro net is really aimed at organised groups. Without a called target it's way less useful.

The problem with Hold the Line is all the Pyro PTs/Assault Vanguards running around with it. Yegads.

2.0 is starting to look like a bit of a bust as far as rebalancing for pvp goes. I have more tools, but so does everyone else, and my time-till-death is way down. Conversely, it seems much much harder to kill healers now.

Yeah its a bust for Mercs. I had such high hopes as well. If anything it looks like the DPS is even worst now on the Mercs. We do get some very high hits, but so does all the other classes. I actually think they could be funner to play in 2.0, they just need DPS. DPS is lower than it was on live IMO.

idk, ive been having a jolly old time on PTS with my commando.

i did some transfer magic and ive got a full set of reflex 22 augmented Partisan PvP gear, minus only the +exp crystal and offhand/mainhand armoring/barrel.

electronet 90s cooldown is okay, definitely cant really tell how useful it is in PUGs tho.

i FRAKING LOVE hold the line. so much was able to 1v1 one of the best powertechs (i think anyways) from pot5 just a bit ago as gunnery, that was cool. ive been breaking 9k with demo round, 5k+ ticks on full auto, and the occasional 5k grav round (think that could be cuz everyone is running around in PvE gear tho). kolto bomb is sweet.

but i can tell you pretty much for sure that i am working way harder to kill folks than they have to work to kill me.

oh, and gunnery commando is a clutch ball carrier now. hold the line + reactive shield + tech override for Med Probes on the move, and you can run halfway across the map without being stopped

more fun facts: i just hit a marauder for 10k

While I don't disagree, Merc/mando doesn't benefit from any advantages re targeting that the other ranged ACs don't also possess. Quite the opposite, GS/Sniper and some builds of Sorc/Sage have greater range, as well as far more ample toolkits (immunities, dmg mitation, escapes/movement, etc.). But I get what you're saying re meta averages, and I think you're right that if the fix didn't come with 2.0, then it probably never will. Merc/mandos will just have to learn to love Suicide Mode PvP gameplay, learn to heal (and be 3rd best), or re-roll.

Like I wrote in the Feedback-thread on the PTS-forum and several other players have tried to bring forth:

Commandos doesn't have any clear purpose team-wise in competitive forms of PvP.

Sure, we can hide in a corner or hump pillars trying to get our interruptible, proc-depending casts off. The fact still remains that Gunslingers can do pretty much everything Commandos can do, and do i way better.

Commandos need a unique skill that supports the team and makes us wanted for Ranked PvP.

The survivability is there as 2.0 stands. With Hold the Line and Electro Net (too long cooldown) we've been given our so long desired escapes, no more taking a smash to the face every time a melee-class leaps us.

I'm not sure where you are coming from but Commando definitely has a clear purpose in PvP and thats doing damage. That Commandos right now suck at dealing damage in pvp compared to every other class doesen't get fixed by some unique skill that magically makes everyone want you unless that skill is so unbalanced that the team just has to ignore the lost dmg. What Commandos need is a fix to their skills so they aren't completely shut down if someone pretty much just looks their way with an interrupt.

I think you will be surprised at how rapidly the melee player base adapts to the new Merc abilities and becomes able to negate them. As I said in another thread, on my melee toon, if I get a Force Leap off first on a Merc, he is dead. Doesn't matter if he has TWO Electro Nets. He is dead.

Sounds wonderful. Truely.

Hello everybody,

a friend of mine and I are playing o nthe german server T3-M4 and its the same problem with the Commandos and the Mers there aswell. My friend was testing his Mercs on the test-server this week - but today he told me it will still be the same problem. He likes his Mercs verry well, but he is allways saying that his Mercs is missing some ability like the sniper has for beeing not interuptable and not beeing first jumpign-target.

He tested his Mercs 1vs1 in pvp at the test-server. No chance against a marauder! ... Getting interupted, stuned, can't get away - down. The electro-net (new ability - don't know if it's called in english this way) only deals up to 200-300 damage...that's nothing that will stop a melee.




This would be my idea about Mercenary/Commando getting back into the PvP and you could give it a pretty cool ability effect.
Perhaps my english is not the best, but I think everyone understands my proposal.