The sky isn't falling. A numbers based view.

I'll just make up my own numbers then. As long as they are extremely low you'd be satisfied right?

There's no point in hiding your personal bias anymore. Everyone has an agenda, I started the thread to see how things actually were from a realistic point of view using data available and it's turned into an I think we have 200k players thread at the end by people that want that to be the case.

No new data is just that. If you choose to read anything more into it then it's completely 100% your opinion at that point and because of that there's nothing left to discuss here.

Did you check to see if there were multiple Fleet instances? I was on Harbinger last night and there were three active on the Imperial side, and any planet I visited was buzzing with multiple instances as well.

The current set of servers appear to be pretty stable now days in terms of populations. Well, except for general chat.....that was a complete melt down yesterday with all the Disney this and Disney that rochambeauing going on everywhere I traveled. But that's intra-server social instability, no actual population instability.

+10 for working that word into a post.

I think you need to add Turbine's Asheron's Call to that list. It came out in late November 1999, and to this day it is still PAY TO PLAY and in 2012 still has players paying for subs. An accurate sub number would be nice to see.

Hehe... yeah.. well I was having actual South Park flashbacks watching general chat channels last night.

Harbinger is definitely one of the biggest ones at the moment. I have actually seen up to 6 instances of the fleet at times. Jedi Covenent isn't quite as big but there's always at least 2 fleet instances.

Well, this entire thread was more based on the modern era (as in the last 3-4 years) for MMOs.

MMOdata quit tracking Asherons Call in 2007. At that time.. it had between 10-15K total. I'm sure it's probably around the same level today... because of the nostalgics in the MMO community. It never had more then ~100K subs, even at it's early peak in 2001-2002.

That's like saying Sandy isn't really going on because when I go outside it's clear and pleasant weather.

Awesome to see some rational thinking and numbers to back up feelings...

Too often this fan base just acts like an angry mob following the witch that cry's wolf burning the innocents at the stake...

The only metric that can be used to estimate current subs is by looking at the loss rate over time. It is the only information available.

Though I still feel VERY strongly that sub levels at this point no longer matter with the new business model, if one projects the relatively steady loss of subs since launch, and one assumes that loss rate continues (which is certainly arguable) that would place the subs somewhere north of 300k to 800k subs at this point. A wide range, certainly, but the only range that can be guessed at based on actual released information.

Even if subs are on the low end of that range, it is very likely, IMO, that the F2P launch will reverse that trend.